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By what standard should we judge what is and what is not right?
Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
May 4, 2011 at 4:10 pm (This post was last modified: May 4, 2011 at 4:12 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(May 3, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Nathanael Wrote: Hi, I'm a non-denominational Christian from Southampton, England. I was brought up as a fairly nominal Christian, but actively committed to following Jesus in my late teens. Since then, I have wrestled with my fair share of doubts, but continue to strongly believe that Christianity is true and try to live accordingly.
Primarily, I'm here to encounter interesting and thought-provoking questions asked from perspectives other than my own. I love to be challenged about my own views and discuss new issues with people who take truth, goodness and beauty as seriously as I do. I have all the time in the world for anyone who fairly represents my views and gives reasons against them and I will always do my best to respond in kind, but I have little patience for ridicule or ad hominems.
All of that said, I really look forward to meeting and engaging with some of you.
Nathanael
Welcome aboard. Stay frosty my friend; most of the atheists on here are extremely tolerant and understanding as long as you don't believe in God :-) You'll do fine though.
(May 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Well, in Christianity God's nature is the objective moral standard.
Ah....so that's why the altar boys have stretched assholes, is it?
Red herring. Molestation is not permitted by God's nature or word, but I am sure you already knew that.
(May 4, 2011 at 8:34 am)Nathanael Wrote: Thanks Maria, LastPoet, lilphil1989 and Boreasos.
LastPoet, lilphil1989, Boreasos: If I consider one of the things you say in the future to be ridiculous, will it be right for me to ridicule you for holding those views?
Boreasos, from your "Religious Views": What is the difference between a critical atheist and an uncritical (or non-critical) atheist?
Of course you are as entitled to ridicule the ridiculous as anyone else.
I am an atheist, as are many on this board, but it's a very broad term. Some atheists just don't believe, others actively oppose theism (closer to anti theist) and others occupy the entire spectrum in between. Being a critical atheist means I go a step further than a simple lack of belief, but not quite as far as to openly and actively opposing theism. I find that theism, or the belief in a god/gods is irrational (as there is no evidence to support the notion) and should ideally be rejected by all, though I freely admit that the existence of a god/gods isn't impossible.
(May 4, 2011 at 6:02 pm)Boreasos Wrote: Of course you are as entitled to ridicule the ridiculous as anyone else.
I'm not really talking about "entitlement" or "rights", but whether it is morally right to ridicule someone you believe to be ridiculous.
Quote:I am an atheist, as are many on this board, but it's a very broad term. Some atheists just don't believe, others actively oppose theism (closer to anti theist) and others occupy the entire spectrum in between. Being a critical atheist means I go a step further than a simple lack of belief, but not quite as far as to openly and actively opposing theism. I find that theism, or the belief in a god/gods is irrational (as there is no evidence to support the notion) and should ideally be rejected by all, though I freely admit that the existence of a god/gods isn't impossible.
Thank you for a very clear explanation of your view. I am a bit puzzled as to why you choose the word "critical" to describe it, but that is neither here nor there. Why do you think that theism is irrational, and what is "irrationality" on your view (is it a normative standard of right-thinking that all humans are held to, for example?)? And given that you believe it to be an irrational belief (and obviously one that is widely held) why do you not actively oppose it?
(May 4, 2011 at 8:34 am)Nathanael Wrote: Thanks Maria, LastPoet, lilphil1989 and Boreasos.
LastPoet, lilphil1989, Boreasos: If I consider one of the things you say in the future to be ridiculous, will it be right for me to ridicule you for holding those views?
Boreasos, from your "Religious Views": What is the difference between a critical atheist and an uncritical (or non-critical) atheist?
Of course you are as entitled to ridicule the ridiculous as anyone else.
I am an atheist, as are many on this board, but it's a very broad term. Some atheists just don't believe, others actively oppose theism (closer to anti theist) and others occupy the entire spectrum in between. Being a critical atheist means I go a step further than a simple lack of belief, but not quite as far as to openly and actively opposing theism. I find that theism, or the belief in a god/gods is irrational (as there is no evidence to support the notion) and should ideally be rejected by all, though I freely admit that the existence of a god/gods isn't impossible.
Just being curious, what evidence would you accept for the existence of God?