(July 23, 2016 at 2:57 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 23, 2016 at 4:04 am)Godschild Wrote:  I have spanked my dogs for doing behavior they know is not acceptable, I'm not a bleeding heart animals right activist, but you can bet I have dogs who are very happy, love me and are well behaved. My dogs receive a great amount of care, care of all kinds, love and friendship from me.

GC

This is animal abuse; I hope that you die and your dogs eat your corpse.

 Ah, a softy who has probably lost a dog due to playing in the street. I do not abuse my dogs I discipline them for extremely bad behavior. My dogs love me and obey me to please me, a trait of the domesticated dog, wild dogs do the same thing if they run in a pack.

GC

(July 24, 2016 at 2:34 am)Losty Wrote:

(July 24, 2016 at 1:35 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I am someone who will eat anything. I used to like coleslaw.

Yes. Used to. Even I got put off that stuff.

.... at least not on its own between bread. Yuck.

I've never even heard of eating it on bread. I didn't think you could make it worse but then you did....gross

I used to like coleslaw. But ever since I tried it on pizza, I now hate it! Sorry!

(July 24, 2016 at 5:01 am)Godschild Wrote: [...]When I come home and one of my dogs have made a mess I know it immediately from the look on their face and their reaction when I ask what happened all this before I enter the door. [...]

LOLOLOLOL...

You ask them what happened? What kind of moron are you? Oh, right - the kind that believes in talking donkeys and snakes... So, Dr. Dolittle - what do they say in reply?

Sure - dogs can associate physical violence with certain behaviors (although you can achieve the same results using other deterrents, like strong scent in a spray bottle), but unless you catch the dog in the act - they have no f*cking idea what you're punishing them for. Many dog owners imagine they can see "shame", or "guilt" on their dog's faces, but that's just projection and confirmation bias on your part. I have no doubt, that they can be afraid of you and behave submissively, when they can sense anger in your tone (for example when you start angrily interrogating them), but they don't follow your logic, because - and I know this is going to be difficult to believe, but bear with me - dogs are dumber than even you.

I grew up in the country-side. I've seen enough cruelty, to become somewhat desensitized, so if you want to punch your dog for making a mess - be my guest, let off some steam. But you're kidding yourself if you think, that dogs have a concept of "guilt", or "sin", or that they understand what you're saying to them.

And of course - dogs will "love" you regardless, because they don't really have a choice - it's their evolutionary instinct to submit to a pack leader and they've been bred over thousands of years to submit to humans. I've seen dogs starved half to death, tied with a piece of wire to a metal barrel, which was their "doghouse" and regularly kicked and beaten by their alcoholic owners, whom they still adored. Dogs and religious people share this tragic tendency to give up dignity and replace it with servility...

http://www.sciencealert.com/dogs-may-loo...xperts-say

Quote:According to veterinary scientist Susan Hazel, the fact that dogs may look ashamed to us after we’ve caught them doing something bad says a lot more about our relationships with our pets than it does about their ability to feel complicated emotions such as guilt.

“There’s been a number of studies done and it’s pretty clear that dogs don’t feel or display guilt,” Hazel told Simon Royal at the ABC. “It’s not the way their brains work.”

Homeless Nutter Wrote:I've seen dogs starved half to death, tied with a piece of wire to a metal barrel, which was their "doghouse" and regularly kicked and beaten by their alcoholic owners, whom they still adored.

This shit made me sad.

(July 24, 2016 at 7:27 am)Bella Morte Wrote: This shit made me sad.

Used to make me sad too, especially that I know how those dogs tended to die... Now it mostly makes me hate poor, uneducated people, who live in such abject conditions themselves, that they can't feel sympathy for living beings in their care, be it animals, or humans. And who - of course - use the bible to justify their cruelty.

(July 24, 2016 at 5:01 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 23, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Dogs have no concept of the consequences of actions, you fucking moron. From their point of view you're just hurting them for no reason. Please stop doing it.

 Listen you little twit I been training dogs for over 30 years and I'm considered quite good, dogs do have an understanding of doing wrong and they show it effectively. You're the moron for not researching what dogs understand and what they do not and I bet your dogs don't obey you one bit, you're probably one of those who have to call their dog a dozen times just to get it's attention, not good around a busy road, and you probably consider that obedience, sad. When I come home and one of my dogs have made a mess I know it immediately from the look on their face and their reaction when I ask what happened all this before I enter the door. Oh hey, no, I spank my dogs very seldom.

GC

Hey GC, my uncle has owned and trained dogs for over 30 years, and every one of them has been so well-behaved he could let them off the leash in his open front yard in front of a street and they still wouldn't venture out of the boundaries set for them.

He's never laid a hand on a single dog.

The fact that you believe a dog cannot learn without being struck quite frankly disgusts me to the core.

(July 24, 2016 at 5:12 am)ignoramus Wrote:

(July 24, 2016 at 2:34 am)Losty Wrote: I've never even heard of eating it on bread. I didn't think you could make it worse but then you did....gross

I used to like coleslaw. But ever since I tried it on pizza, I now hate it! Sorry!

You're a horrible person. That's an unforgivable sin, sir.

(July 24, 2016 at 5:10 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 23, 2016 at 2:57 pm)Jehanne Wrote: This is animal abuse; I hope that you die and your dogs eat your corpse.

 Ah, a softy who has probably lost a dog due to playing in the street. I do not abuse my dogs I discipline them for extremely bad behavior. My dogs love me and obey me to please me, a trait of the domesticated dog, wild dogs do the same thing if they run in a pack.

GC

To please you? You're so weird. Dogs are very very easy to train via positive reinforcement. There's really no excuse for hitting a dog other than being a lazy asshole.

Needs to feel powerful after spending his life on his knees gaping for his imaginary friend, no doubt.

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