(August 18, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Aroura Wrote: There was nothing about that phrasing that sounded sarcastic. Seems like backpedalling to me.

I showed this video of some black people doing stupid shit then some accusation of racism starts.
So I jokingly say if it's racist that means this video represents black people as a race and I hope that isn't the case.
I don't get how someone couldn't see I'm being sarcastic, I thought it would be impossible.
That would mean I've never met a black people who could speak English well who didn't want to burn and loot buildings and how likely do you think that is?

(August 18, 2016 at 10:40 am)Little lunch Wrote: Paul, yours was when you hoped that a member of the BLM would be run over by a car followed immediately by Bella saying they were fucking arseholes.
Whether you mean it in a racist way or not, you're both usually followed by A Theist who obviously feels encouraged and then Robert.E.
Like Thena said, it's about perception.
That's why I asked you what your stance actually is.
You see, I'm asking you for an explanation.
And if I'm out of line by calling you all out, then I will accept that and apologise.
I fucking hate confrontation.
But the way that Thena feels is the very thing I was worried about and I felt compelled to say something.
That's why I said if there were 10 more saying similar things, I wouldn't want to be any part of it.

You've got a cheek!!! So, anyone who doesn't tow the line, or should I say, your way of thinking is a racist, full-stop? I put up a valid argument about other races in the United States and how they are NOT targeted that often by the police. Ask yourself why as to why that it before pulling bella, paul or myself up. Are you culturally challenged by any chance? I have lived and grown up in areas that have a large majority of ethnic groups. I went to a secondary school in the Midlands where 50% of the students were muslim, and it was then I had my first visit to a mosque. It was culturally enriching too. How about learning another language other than one that requires knowledge of the latin alphabet, something like Putonghua, or Hakka, or many of the various dialects of Chinese. Why not Hiragana, Katakana or the Kaji that are the equivalent of Chineset characters. Until you learn something about other cultures i.e. Hispanic, black, Chinese, Vietnamian etc etc, you have to understand the people and how they deal with situations. Furthermore, I refer you to a system again, that is even more oppressive than anything an immigrant in the USA has ever had to endure; the Caste system. We go on about certain races in America, we go on about religions and how they are oppressive, yet I am not able to find a thread on this forum about the worst system in the world. Read up on it and then you'll see that what the blacks went through for a couple of hundreds of years, would be nothing to compared to what the caste system has done to certain people in India over the last couple of thousand years, but that is another topic. Either way, #alllivesmatter#

(August 18, 2016 at 12:38 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Aroura Wrote: There was nothing about that phrasing that sounded sarcastic. Seems like backpedalling to me.

I showed this video of some black people doing stupid shit then some accusation of racism starts.
So I jokingly say if it's racist that means this video represents black people as a race and I hope that isn't the case.
I don't get how someone couldn't see I'm being sarcastic, I thought it would be impossible.
That would mean I've never met a black people who could speak English well who didn't want to burn and loot buildings and how likely do you think that is?

The same people who think ALL white people are racist. They have the right to generalise.

(August 18, 2016 at 12:01 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 11:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: How about this one:

*emphasis mine*

Criticizing an individual is not racist, however worrying whether an individual represents a whole race kinda is.

I was being sarcastic. To put it clearer. I know these people don't represent black people as a whole therefore the comments I make about these specific people is not race related.

Due to the nature of many of your posts I fail to see how that could be seen as sarcasm, especially when you make posts like this one.

(August 5, 2013 at 9:39 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this is one topic you're likely to get a lot of dishonest answers about, also I think it's a question that depends a lot on the circumstances anyway you look at it.
If I was in a situation where I was part of a huge rich family who made money from having slaves who were black I doubt I'd give up my vast fortune, large house, secure family and farm and whatever else just because I feel sorry for a few black people, and I am a person with a lot of empathy in comparison with people I know, but I imagine in a world full of unfairness, poverty and death a few slaves wouldn't weigh heavy on my guilt, since round the time of slaves there were child chimney sweeps and mill workers, people dying of all sorts, and it was a harsh dog eat dog world.

But if it's just a case of me talking about something I believe in even if it will result in social disapproval  then I wouldn't really care.

*emphasis mine*

That would be called making restitution, which you clearly are against.

What did you say in your OP again.

(August 17, 2016 at 5:30 am)paulpablo Wrote: To quote one protester.

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

You might think from reading the quote that the person saying it was around 5 years old but this was from a man in his 20s.

*emphasis mine*

Oh the Irony.

(August 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:01 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I was being sarcastic. To put it clearer. I know these people don't represent black people as a whole therefore the comments I make about these specific people is not race related.

Due to the nature of many of your posts I fail to see how that could be seen as sarcasm, especially when you make posts like this one.

(August 5, 2013 at 9:39 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this is one topic you're likely to get a lot of dishonest answers about, also I think it's a question that depends a lot on the circumstances anyway you look at it.
If I was in a situation where I was part of a huge rich family who made money from having slaves who were black I doubt I'd give up my vast fortune, large house, secure family and farm and whatever else just because I feel sorry for a few black people, and I am a person with a lot of empathy in comparison with people I know, but I imagine in a world full of unfairness, poverty and death a few slaves wouldn't weigh heavy on my guilt, since round the time of slaves there were child chimney sweeps and mill workers, people dying of all sorts, and it was a harsh dog eat dog world.

But if it's just a case of me talking about something I believe in even if it will result in social disapproval  then I wouldn't really care.

*emphasis mine*

That would be called making restitution, which you clearly are against.

What did you say in your OP again.

(August 17, 2016 at 5:30 am)paulpablo Wrote: To quote one protester.

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

You might think from reading the quote that the person saying it was around 5 years old but this was from a man in his 20s.

Oh the Irony.

Wow, goin all the way back to 2013.

Why does me talking about how I imagine id feel as a person who's a slave owner relate to my sarcasm in this thread.

I'm wasn't arguing for slavery, I was putting myself in the mind of someone who has a vast fortune based on slavery and wether or not I'd give up that lifestyle taking into account its in a time where slavery is relatively common.
Basically saying anyone on this forum put into a situation where they're raised in a different era would be likely to have a different moral outlook.

(August 18, 2016 at 12:59 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Due to the nature of many of your posts I fail to see how that could be seen as sarcasm, especially when you make posts like this one.


*emphasis mine*

That would be called making restitution, which you clearly are against.

What did you say in your OP again.


Oh the Irony.

Wow, goin all the way back to 2013.

Why does me talking about how I imagine id feel as a person who's a slave owner relate to my sarcasm in this thread.

I'm wasn't arguing for slavery, I was putting myself in the mind of someone who has a vast fortune based on slavery and wether or not I'd give up that lifestyle taking into account its in a time where slavery is relatively common.
Basically saying anyone on this forum put into a situation where they're raised in a different era would be likely to have a different moral outlook.

Well, here is a question for most. Everyone hates slavery and for what it stands for, and thankfully it is no longer an issue, or is it? How many of those protestors actually bought products that were made by child slaves?

(August 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:01 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I was being sarcastic. To put it clearer. I know these people don't represent black people as a whole therefore the comments I make about these specific people is not race related.

Due to the nature of many of your posts I fail to see how that could be seen as sarcasm, especially when you make posts like this one.

(August 5, 2013 at 9:39 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think this is one topic you're likely to get a lot of dishonest answers about, also I think it's a question that depends a lot on the circumstances anyway you look at it.
If I was in a situation where I was part of a huge rich family who made money from having slaves who were black I doubt I'd give up my vast fortune, large house, secure family and farm and whatever else just because I feel sorry for a few black people, and I am a person with a lot of empathy in comparison with people I know, but I imagine in a world full of unfairness, poverty and death a few slaves wouldn't weigh heavy on my guilt, since round the time of slaves there were child chimney sweeps and mill workers, people dying of all sorts, and it was a harsh dog eat dog world.

But if it's just a case of me talking about something I believe in even if it will result in social disapproval  then I wouldn't really care.

*emphasis mine*

That would be called making restitution, which you clearly are against.

What did you say in your OP again.

(August 17, 2016 at 5:30 am)paulpablo Wrote: To quote one protester.

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

You might think from reading the quote that the person saying it was around 5 years old but this was from a man in his 20s.

*emphasis mine*

Oh the Irony.

It's impressive though, when I said did I say anything in particular that was racist I didn't expect anyone to go to the effort of going back to 2013 on my posts.

(August 18, 2016 at 1:04 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Due to the nature of many of your posts I fail to see how that could be seen as sarcasm, especially when you make posts like this one.


*emphasis mine*

That would be called making restitution, which you clearly are against.

What did you say in your OP again.

*emphasis mine*

Oh the Irony.

It's impressive though, when I said did I say anything in particular that was racist I didn't expect anyone to go to the effort of going back to 2013 on my posts.

If you did, that means that 99.9% of your posts here are non-racist. I guess that makes you a non-racist and your racist comment was taken out of context by others to mean something else. 

(August 18, 2016 at 12:59 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Wow, goin all the way back to 2013.

Why does me talking about how I imagine id feel as a person who's a slave owner relate to my sarcasm in this thread.

I'm wasn't arguing for slavery, I was putting myself in the mind of someone who has a vast fortune based on slavery and wether or not I'd give up that lifestyle taking into account its in a time where slavery is relatively common.
Basically saying anyone on this forum put into a situation where they're raised in a different era would be likely to have a different moral outlook.

How it relates is this.

In your op you quote a guy stating:

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

Not the best articulation, I know, but here's the thing. The Jews and the Japanese were paid reparations for the injustices that they suffered, but were not able to do the same for black people?

You guys look at it like it's a handout, but people actually put in hard labor and were paid nothing, how about paying their families for all that free labor.

Those generations had nothing to pass down to their children hence the economic inequality.

If you want to balance scales you must remove weight from one side and add to the other. Eliminating the policies that created the unbalance in the first place, simply leaves the scales unbalanced.

How would one go about doing this? I don't know, but I would focus on the major corporations that profited off of slavery.

(August 18, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 18, 2016 at 12:59 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Wow, goin all the way back to 2013.

Why does me talking about how I imagine id feel as a person who's a slave owner relate to my sarcasm in this thread.

I'm wasn't arguing for slavery, I was putting myself in the mind of someone who has a vast fortune based on slavery and wether or not I'd give up that lifestyle taking into account its in a time where slavery is relatively common.
Basically saying anyone on this forum put into a situation where they're raised in a different era would be likely to have a different moral outlook.

How it relates is this.

In your op you quote a guy stating:

"It's sad you know because this what happen, because they not helping the black community, like you know, the rich people they got all this money, and they not like you know tryin to give us none."

Not the best articulation, I know, but here's the thing. The Jews and the Japanese were paid reparations for the injustices that they suffered, but were not able to do the same for black people?

You guys look at it like it's a handout, but people actually put in hard labor and were paid nothing, how about paying their families for all that free labor.

Those generations had nothing to pass down to their children hence the economic inequality.

If you want to balance scales you must remove weight from one side and add to the other. Eliminating the policies that created the unbalance in the first place, simply leaves the scales unbalanced.

How would one go about doing this? I don't know, but I would focus on the major corporations that profited off of slavery.

Again, you are showing ignorance, when you only talk about Jews and Japanese. What about the Irish population who were treated as slaves in the United States too? Why don't the African population ask for reparations from Saudi Arabia and the conquering arabs who took about 20 million black people as slaves? Aren't they worthy of reparations?
How about the late, great Arther Ashe, Muhammed Ali, Jessie Jackson, Martin Luther King Jr, Jessie Owens, Jack Johnson and countless others besides? The thing that links all of them together is the wanting to work hard and get to where they wanted to be in life. Life owes no-one a living, regardless of what colour your skin is, what your sexual preference is, whether you wear glasses or not. If you work hard, you get the benefits. Most of those names I mentioned would turn in their graves seeing what is happening to the younger generation today. They have everything they have ever wanted in life, more so than their ancestors had, and they still want more, which for me, is greed, plain and simple. If you are not willing to put in a days hard graft, then don't blame every man and his dog if you don't make it in life. The onus is on YOU, not the state.