(August 21, 2016 at 4:22 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

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Awesome, maybe someone can take drugs and corroborate what I found through pure logic and Newtonian physics compared with real 3d structure of universal phenomena found by modern science.

Still waiting for the nobel prize.

Then you will wait.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Everything up to my edit is the only part that makes any sense. Everything following it you have no possible way of knowing. Hence I have no interest in buying.

You are free to form you own paradigm and toss out what the majority of humanity has believed (and explored) since the beginning.

Argumentum ad populum doesn't make your fantasy work. Neither does abdicating your burden of proof.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: You are free to suffer the consequences of your willful ignorance.

And nor does argumentum ad hominem. Oh, and please knock off with the clichés. We've all heard enough of them to sink a battleship.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I have had my own NDE (drowning) where I popped out of body and had the time-space to fully consider leaving or staying.  I was more conscious in that state, more aware than while in the body.  I don't need you to believe me,

Well, that's handy.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: but to understand I'm not coming from a position of wishful belief of what I want to be true. I experienced it.

Are you able, with any honesty, to know if this experience you claim is what led to your beliefs, or if it was vice-versa and your beliefs - or at least prior knowledge - coloured your expectation of the experience?

Either way, personal testimony of unsupportable events from a single source of questionable reliability doesn't exactly make for a compelling reason for others to accept it. If that's all you have, we're pretty much done.

Also, Ark, did you know it's well known that when the brain experiences a lack of oxygen (you drowned, remember?) the brain releases chemicals that produce those out of body, blissful and peaceful experiences? Every single amazing and peaceful sensation you felt when you had a NDE; when you drowned, all of it was originated in the brain, none of it had to do with God, nor a soul. 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...ear-death/
http://listverse.com/2015/04/14/10-scien...periences/

(August 21, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 3:52 pm)RozKek Wrote: :-O Can I join?

Are you willing to stop wearing clothes, and do weird things with food and nature?

What are you waiting for? Sign me up!

(August 21, 2016 at 3:50 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Cecelia Wrote: A friend of mine starter her own religion based on revelations she received while high.  TBH it's better than most religions I've seen.

Maybe I should try it.  Francis Crick "intuited" the correct structure of DNA while on LSD.

You guys are hilarious: "New idea I've never heard before?  Must be drugs."

You know the bolded portion isn't true, right? Crick's dalliance with lysergic began long AFTER his work with DNA.

Boru

Why ruin a perfectly good anecdote with inconvenient facts?

Don't you remember when Jesus said a lie told often enough becomes truth?

(August 21, 2016 at 4:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: You are free to form you own paradigm and toss out what the majority of humanity has believed (and explored) since the beginning.

Argumentum ad populum doesn't make your fantasy work. Neither does abdicating your burden of proof.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: You are free to suffer the consequences of your willful ignorance.

And nor does argumentum ad hominem. Oh, and please knock off with the clichés. We've all heard enough of them to sink a battleship.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I have had my own NDE (drowning) where I popped out of body and had the time-space to fully consider leaving or staying.  I was more conscious in that state, more aware than while in the body.  I don't need you to believe me,

Well, that's handy.

(August 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: but to understand I'm not coming from a position of wishful belief of what I want to be true. I experienced it.

Are you able, with any honesty, to know if this experience you claim is what led to your beliefs, or if it was vice-versa and your beliefs - or at least prior knowledge - coloured your expectation of the experience?

Either way, personal testimony of unsupportable events from a single source of questionable reliability doesn't exactly make for a compelling reason for others to accept it. If that's all you have, we're pretty much done.

I celebrate the burden of proof. I have laid out a fair amount of evidence for what I claim in several other threads and there is much more where that came from. I do not need the corroboration of multiple creation stories from multiple cultures across time to support what I have found by pure geometry. But it's nice to notice consistent and repeated trends.

Ignorance is the act of ignoring something, the act speaks for itself. If you take that as a personal insult, oh well. It's no more an ad hominem than warning some one if they ignore the cliff they are walking toward and disbelieve gravity...they will suffer the consequence of their ignore-ance.

That experience shattered many of my previous beliefs....especially about myself. I got to experience Self without the filter of my birth personality, locked up in the specific paths my neurons have fired and wired for over my life time. It was like my life was the dream, and I was actually awake for the first time in a very long time. I was no longer occluded by anything I had collected or created in the body. There was a bit more to the experience, but that was the core.

(August 21, 2016 at 4:18 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I don't want to be killed, but I know I am going to die somehow.  So I will choose my death and earn it.  That is not martyrdom, that is Bushido.

(August 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I celebrate the burden of proof. I have laid out a fair amount of evidence for what I claim in several other threads and there is much more where that came from. I do not need the corroboration of multiple creation stories from multiple cultures across time to support what I have found by pure geometry. But it's nice to notice consistent and repeated trends.

Ignorance is the act of ignoring something, the act speaks for itself. If you take that as a personal insult, oh well. It's no more an ad hominem than warning some one if they ignore the cliff they are walking toward and disbelieve gravity...they will suffer the consequence of their ignore-ance.

That experience shattered many of my previous beliefs....especially about myself. I got to experience Self without the filter of my birth personality, locked up in the specific paths my neurons have fired and wired for over my life time. It was like my life was the dream, and I was actually awake for the first time in a very long time. I was no longer occluded by anything I had collected or created in the body. There was a bit more to the experience, but that was the core.

Nope, not ignoring anything. Simply not convinced. It's revealing that you seem to need me painted as the irrational one in this scenario. If what you want to present as evidence isn't exactly being lapped up with crusty bread, it may not be your audience at fault. Consider getting more subsatantial evidence.

Incidentally, an ad hominem isn't synonymous with insult - it's the fallacy of deriding one's opponent's character to dismiss their opinion.

(August 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: That experience shattered many of my previous beliefs....especially about myself. I got to experience Self without the filter of my birth personality, locked up in the specific paths my neurons have fired and wired for over my life time. It was like my life was the dream, and I was actually awake for the first time in a very long time.  I was no longer occluded by anything I had collected or created in the body.  There was a bit more to the experience, but that was the core.

Amazingly like your brain was subjected to a drug. Funny that coincidence.