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BLM started because there for a while about once a week we were being treated to stories of yet another unarmed black male being shot by police. The African-American community was rightly upset, and thus "Black Lives Matter" was born. Just like any political movement it may have been hijacked by other groups with other agendas, but I bet one thing they would like to accomplish is being able to drive home after work without wondering if they're going to be gunned down by an overzealous cop with an itchy trigger finger for Driving While Black.
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Quote:I was listening to a debate on the radio on the way home concerning black lives matter and it's ultimate end game. In that it wants 'african-american' culture to be on par with or the dominate culture in the US
Um, they want the fucking cops to stop murdering them for broken tail lights, you flaming asshole!
poor minnie..
Look at the link old sport. BLM has a new manifesto published.
They want:
To adopt certain 'crimes' (what white people deem to be crime) to be legalized for blacks.
They want an end to incarceration of really any and all crime.
They want to reparations for not only slavery but for laws created to 'oppress the black community.' (all non violent crime)
They want funding for black specific communities, by defunding prisons and jails.
they want what amounts to social ownership of what they deem black communities. Say for example large swaths Detroit or Chicago must be turned over to an unnamed black political structure.
Complete autonomy in those black owned and held areas. (to be a city-state with in the city/State)
We demand independent Black political power and Black self-determination in all areas of society. We envision a remaking of the current U.S. political system in order to create a real democracy where Black people and all marginalized people can effectively exercise full political power.
So again lets say Clinton won and she granted all of this... how will these changes impact the rest of America?
I was listening to a debate on the radio on the way home concerning black lives matter and it's ultimate end game. In that it wants 'african-american' culture to be on par with or the dominate culture in the US... What they call a 'vision for black lives' or "the movement." https://policy.m4bl.org/
As the debate raged on, I started to wonder what is 'black culture?' Is it the angry anti establishment, pro drug misogynistic, dominate and conquer stuff rap guys are always on about? Or Is it just a mirror image/black version of established white culture? (everything is basically the same but black people are in charge) and before I could come up with an answer. The guy arguing for BLM on the radio used that term again "African American culture" for some reason the word African stuck out in my mind... Then I began to think, in the history of the world, have Sub-Saharan Africans (S-SA) EVER in recorded history established a ideal empire, or a successful culturally and economically stable country? I could not come up with one example.
For example I would say in modern times Dubai, Saudi Arabia or even Saddam's Iraq would be an example of a successful middle eastern country. Far east you have china and Japan as very good examples. Even 'native Americans' have several examples of well executed cultures/countries in central and South America. These examples are mirrored in ancient times as well. Even in northern africa where 'middle easterners' (egypt for example) rule, we have deep rich culture and examples of dynastic reign.
So I got home pulled up a map of Africa and started looking at all of the different countries where sub-saharan Africans rule or where the primary populace is S-SA. these nations are often time war torn, treat women poorly, lots of civil war and infighting (anti establishment) where the strongest war lord rules.
I maybe wrong, as i did not research every country's history, but from what I know I can not seem to remember any of these S-SA countries EVER being a model country, ever contributing to the world economy or ever being a shining example for all black people to look up to...
After a moment of thought I started to look at the term African American, and remembered Liberia was the only REAL "AFRICAN/American" country/culture. As it was established/founded on slaves that were returned to Africa, After the civil war... That country is... a train wreck to put it nicely. Meaning if the descendants of slaves were literally given their own country with all the influence and skills learned from working in the fields, were given their own country Liberia would literally be that country. Raceism is rampant, there is a heavy handed onsided approach towards the 'native liberians' They are forced to live in certain areas, and treated as wild animals. Not to mention the ecconomic status and over all state of the nation is always in question. (civil conflict and corruption)
Now that said I am assuming the leadership of BLM is not wanting to inject this kinda of chaos into wesrtern culture.. (if they did, then f-them they need to be takenout as this is little more than terrorism/again google the history of liberia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia
That said I earnestly began to search for examples of successful modern black culture... What I found were examples all tied into modern western white culture. I also began to run a mental list of some of the communities on the opposite end of the spectrum, they too were dominated by 'black culture' in America. black culture that closly paralelled that of what Liberians have done.
Now my question is, what exactly is BLM trying to change? What makes the leadership think it can do any better than their brothers and sisters in liberia/devastated 'black communities' In the US? Just short of conquering and taking the resources of others what will political dominance do? Again in Liberia as with all S-SA nations they have political dominance and corruption and infighting is the result of the dozen or so nations I looked at.
Look I know the first knee jerk reaction is a call to arms/racism. Get that oout of your system over and look at the facts/questions i asked. Would you openly vote for a guy who wants two sets of laws in this country? The laws black people make for themselves and the laws governing everyone else? (check out the blm link) like in Liberia.
Can anyone give an example of a S-SA country that can be a shinning example. A country who's policies would gladly be adopted by the US or EU? a country known for it's tolerance, progressive thinking and economic strength? Again, Asians, Middle easterners, Whites, Native Americans, Indians all contribute in the way of strong societies who all have something to give/offer in the way of a common unity. Meaning we all befit some philosophy, some industry, some something that the rest of the world uses and benefits from in someway.
Not that black people do not contribute anything. Not what I am saying, as a matter of fact black people in america have contributed alot in the way of art, literature, and industrial diversity. What I am asking for is if BLM matter gets their way and interjects their policies into the US culture, what are they planning to build? A S-SA nation?
Which if you honestly look at Some of our inner cities (Detroit, Chicago, LA you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference) Or are they just looking to build on a black version of white America? (where the minority makes decisions for the majority)
If the latter is the case, then what is the need for political dominance? Meaning if black people in the history of the world are at their pinnical here 'under white America' why change? Why not strive to simply be apart of America? why the need to be black lead America?
Now to be apart of this discussion you can't bring what you think black lives matter is to the table. We are working with what they themselves identify is what BLM is all about. I would also like to ask we get past the first 10 pages of racism dialog. if it will help let eveyone assume I have rightfully accepted the tag of 'racist.' So then can we move to the questions I asked?
Seriously this is a hard question to ask, but if BLM is to be seriously considered someone needs to ask these question or at least entertain what a BLM view of America would look like to it's logical end.
tl;dr "I don't understand multiculturalism, egalitarianism or history, luv Drich"
Thank you for the eloquent synopsis. About what I would have expected. More Drichy asshattery confirmed.
I was listening to a debate on the radio on the way home concerning black lives matter and it's ultimate end game. In that it wants 'african-american' culture to be on par with or the dominate culture in the US... What they call a 'vision for black lives' or "the movement." https://policy.m4bl.org/
As the debate raged on, I started to wonder what is 'black culture?' Is it the angry anti establishment, pro drug misogynistic, dominate and conquer stuff rap guys are always on about? Or Is it just a mirror image/black version of established white culture? (everything is basically the same but black people are in charge) and before I could come up with an answer. The guy arguing for BLM on the radio used that term again "African American culture" for some reason the word African stuck out in my mind... Then I began to think, in the history of the world, have Sub-Saharan Africans (S-SA) EVER in recorded history established a ideal empire, or a successful culturally and economically stable country? I could not come up with one example.
For example I would say in modern times Dubai, Saudi Arabia or even Saddam's Iraq would be an example of a successful middle eastern country. Far east you have china and Japan as very good examples. Even 'native Americans' have several examples of well executed cultures/countries in central and South America. These examples are mirrored in ancient times as well. Even in northern africa where 'middle easterners' (egypt for example) rule, we have deep rich culture and examples of dynastic reign.
So I got home pulled up a map of Africa and started looking at all of the different countries where sub-saharan Africans rule or where the primary populace is S-SA. these nations are often time war torn, treat women poorly, lots of civil war and infighting (anti establishment) where the strongest war lord rules.
I maybe wrong, as i did not research every country's history, but from what I know I can not seem to remember any of these S-SA countries EVER being a model country, ever contributing to the world economy or ever being a shining example for all black people to look up to...
After a moment of thought I started to look at the term African American, and remembered Liberia was the only REAL "AFRICAN/American" country/culture. As it was established/founded on slaves that were returned to Africa, After the civil war... That country is... a train wreck to put it nicely. Meaning if the descendants of slaves were literally given their own country with all the influence and skills learned from working in the fields, were given their own country Liberia would literally be that country. Raceism is rampant, there is a heavy handed onsided approach towards the 'native liberians' They are forced to live in certain areas, and treated as wild animals. Not to mention the ecconomic status and over all state of the nation is always in question. (civil conflict and corruption)
Now that said I am assuming the leadership of BLM is not wanting to inject this kinda of chaos into wesrtern culture.. (if they did, then f-them they need to be takenout as this is little more than terrorism/again google the history of liberia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia
That said I earnestly began to search for examples of successful modern black culture... What I found were examples all tied into modern western white culture. I also began to run a mental list of some of the communities on the opposite end of the spectrum, they too were dominated by 'black culture' in America. black culture that closly paralelled that of what Liberians have done.
Now my question is, what exactly is BLM trying to change? What makes the leadership think it can do any better than their brothers and sisters in liberia/devastated 'black communities' In the US? Just short of conquering and taking the resources of others what will political dominance do? Again in Liberia as with all S-SA nations they have political dominance and corruption and infighting is the result of the dozen or so nations I looked at.
Look I know the first knee jerk reaction is a call to arms/racism. Get that oout of your system over and look at the facts/questions i asked. Would you openly vote for a guy who wants two sets of laws in this country? The laws black people make for themselves and the laws governing everyone else? (check out the blm link) like in Liberia.
Can anyone give an example of a S-SA country that can be a shinning example. A country who's policies would gladly be adopted by the US or EU? a country known for it's tolerance, progressive thinking and economic strength? Again, Asians, Middle easterners, Whites, Native Americans, Indians all contribute in the way of strong societies who all have something to give/offer in the way of a common unity. Meaning we all befit some philosophy, some industry, some something that the rest of the world uses and benefits from in someway.
Not that black people do not contribute anything. Not what I am saying, as a matter of fact black people in america have contributed alot in the way of art, literature, and industrial diversity. What I am asking for is if BLM matter gets their way and interjects their policies into the US culture, what are they planning to build? A S-SA nation?
Which if you honestly look at Some of our inner cities (Detroit, Chicago, LA you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference) Or are they just looking to build on a black version of white America? (where the minority makes decisions for the majority)
If the latter is the case, then what is the need for political dominance? Meaning if black people in the history of the world are at their pinnical here 'under white America' why change? Why not strive to simply be apart of America? why the need to be black lead America?
Now to be apart of this discussion you can't bring what you think black lives matter is to the table. We are working with what they themselves identify is what BLM is all about. I would also like to ask we get past the first 10 pages of racism dialog. if it will help let eveyone assume I have rightfully accepted the tag of 'racist.' So then can we move to the questions I asked?
Seriously this is a hard question to ask, but if BLM is to be seriously considered someone needs to ask these question or at least entertain what a BLM view of America would look like to it's logical end.
tl;dr "I don't understand multiculturalism, egalitarianism or history, luv Drich"
then please oh great world wise sage, explain it as you understand it.
(November 16, 2016 at 12:31 pm)Divinity Wrote: This topic is a movement. A bowel movement.
Yes, but like the classic turd, there are actually bits of corn to be picked from it. However, I will not pick those technically edible kernels out of the OP for him... okay, maybe I will.
I think there is a conversation that the left is:
1) In denial about needing to have; and therefore
2) Is not having it.
But I will leave that to someone else, lest I:
1) Be called a racist
2) Suddenly find myself besieged by others who actually are racists and believe they've found an ally.
I don't want that sink on me.
typical liberal foolish response...
In fear of what someone else may think... I won't express what I believe to be right.
(November 16, 2016 at 1:11 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: BLM started because there for a while about once a week we were being treated to stories of yet another unarmed black male being shot by police. The African-American community was rightly upset, and thus "Black Lives Matter" was born. Just like any political movement it may have been hijacked by other groups with other agendas, but I bet one thing they would like to accomplish is being able to drive home after work without wondering if they're going to be gunned down by an overzealous cop with an itchy trigger finger for Driving While Black.
again, I am not talking about what was... I am speaking to the manifesto that now is...
November 16, 2016 at 1:27 pm (This post was last modified: November 16, 2016 at 1:32 pm by Regina.)
(November 16, 2016 at 12:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Then I began to think, in the history of the world, have Sub-Saharan Africans (S-SA) EVER in recorded history established a ideal empire, or a successful culturally and economically stable country? I could not come up with one example.
Uh, Aksum, Nubia, The Malian Empire, The Ashanti Empire, Ethiopia, probably more
A lot of what came before was lost to colonalism, in the same way a lot of Meso-American and Andean cultures were when the Spanish arrived. That doesn't mean they never existed, they just got overrun and destroyed and, yknow, history is written by the victors.
And as I've said before, African countries have been raped of any natural resources, and had borders placed at the expense of indigenous heritage, which have separated historically allied ethnic groups and forced together groups with historical conflicts. Do that, you set up these states to fail. I'm not going to say that everything is the fault of colonialism, there does come a point where people need to take some self-responsibility and drop draconian practices instead of blaming "colonialism" for starting them, but African countries weren't exactly given the best start.
It's like breaking someone's leg and asking them to walk on it.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"- sarcasm_only
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."- Maryam Namazie
We want to stop being disproportionately discriminated/racially profiled against and to stop being killed for no good reason. We also want to end the systematic and institutional racism and the corruption that affects all layers of government and law enforcement that enables the aforementioned disproportionate killings of black people.
