http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=cuRCF7h7FzE

Matt Dilahunty on the logical absolutes.

To transcript a section of it myself:

"The interesting thing about the logical absolutes is that they actually are pure tautologies, pure truth statements that would be true in every possible universe... with no exceptions... This is difficult for... some people to grasp... [...]The people who have tried to argue against the logical absolutes saying "well these aren't", you know, "these aren't actually absolutes, they're not absolutely true"... without realizing have to assume that the logical absolutes are true in order to attempt to argue that they're not true. That is the definition of a self-defeating argument. ][...]The assumption that they're true...if it's a foundational principle...of the demonstration that they are false...demonstrates that they are true and you've now demonstrated nothing more than a contradiction....and you've created a reducto ad absurdum argument that refutes your claim and affirms that the absolutes are true."

What logical absolutes?

(November 18, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=cuRCF7h7FzE

Matt Dilahunty on the logical absolutes.

To transcript a section of it myself:

"The interesting thing about the logical absolutes is that they actually are pure tautologies, pure truth statements that would be true in every possible universe... with no exceptions... This is difficult for... some people to grasp... [...]The people who have tried to argue ai gainst the logical absolutes saying "well these aren't", you know, "these aren't actually absolutes, they're not absolutely true"... without realizing have to assume that the logical absolutes are true in order to attempt to argue that they're not true. That is the definition of a self-defeating argument. ][...]The assumption that they're true...if it's a foundational principle...of the demonstration that they are false...demonstrates that they are true and you've now demonstrated nothing more than a contradiction....and you've created a reducto ad absurdum argument that refutes your claim and affirms that the absolutes are true."

I   Matt D.

I read that with an s.

*yawn*

*snore*

(November 18, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: What logical absolutes?

The ones described in the video.

(November 18, 2016 at 10:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: *yawn*

*snore*

Personally, I love logic. And I hate bad logic.

Logic is OK, pompous delivery, not so much.

Oh I fucking love Matt Dillahunty he's fucking awesome. I'm with LFC on this one.

I've been thinking about this (which may or may not be scary) but these absolutes seem to not be absolute when you apply them to some things/ideas in the real world.

Example: His circle analogy. Draw a circle around "everything". What's remains on the outside of the circle? Is it nothing? Is it "not everything", which then becomes something?

Example: Uncertainty. Schrodinger's cat. Heisenberg. 

Example: Some of the paradoxes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes

I am no great thinkifier. It's just that what he said in the vid does not feel logically absolute.