(November 30, 2016 at 10:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I happen to like reach arounds . . .

I know you can't see it, but I'm making my "shocked" face right now.

and I didn't specify receiving or giving


(I like both)


I bet Romney does too . . . .

(November 30, 2016 at 10:42 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's interesting how they're not saying what the deal actually was, just that something happened.

I can only assume he promised reach-arounds for all the top executives.

Yep, and the sheep will get fleeced and think it is good.

The real trouble comes with how's Trump going to give all the reach-arounds with his sad, dwarfish hands.

(November 30, 2016 at 10:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I happen to like reach arounds . . .

Do you like reach ins?

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(November 30, 2016 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 10:42 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's interesting how they're not saying what the deal actually was, just that something happened.

I can only assume he promised reach-arounds for all the top executives.

Yep, and the sheep will get fleeced and think it is good.

You are good at fleecing others especially the elderly. Sad.

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(November 30, 2016 at 10:03 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 9:48 am)KUSA Wrote: I am "rely" smarter than you are. Speaking of drains, you sure are one. 50 years old and lives with mommy still. I bet you have fun spending her social security money. What a loser.

Harsh, even by my standards.

It's sad, but true.

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(November 30, 2016 at 10:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 9:53 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Channeling our inner Trump, are we?

KUSA fuck you. I am 50 too, now while I don't live with my mom, she still pays my bills. In return because she is elderly I take care of her at her nursing home. Go there on average 6 days a week. I spend time helping her feed herself, put her cloths away, play games with her, take her out when she wants to. Things she would pay far more with a professional if she paid them to do the same.

And asshole, your party always bitches about privacy and "mind your own business", so why dont you do just that instead of being a judgmental FUCK.

And KUSA the "You live in your mother's basement" is a bullshit argument I have seen from BOTH left and right, theist and atheist. It is BULLSHIT when anyone uses it.

If you are not living in that house, then it is none of your fucking business who pays the bills.

You're so easily conned, K. 

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/dont-fal...f-workers/

Quote:Don’t fall for Trump’s bait and switch saving 1,000 Carrier jobs — he’s screwing over millions of workers

Quote:The New York Times reported that Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence, who is also governor of Indiana, will reiterate their “campaign pledges to be friendlier to business by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code. In addition, Mr. Trump is expected to tone down his rhetoric threatening 35 percent tariffs on companies like Carrier that shift production south of the border.”

In other words, this is like an organized-crime deal: keep some of the jobs and we will give you kickbacks of huge tax breaks and a free hand to trash the environment and consumer safety.

And, when they don't deliver Carrier moves the rest of the plant to Mexico.  And it isn't as if Drumpf and his fucktards aren't planning to screw over 'murrican workers in the first place so this fits nicely with his plans.  Hey,even Hitler mde the trains run on time.

(November 30, 2016 at 8:42 am)mihoda Wrote: Here we are at T -45 days or so and the right is already cheering the perversion of those free markets they claim to love.

I'm more center than right, but here's my take on free markets, tariffs, etc.

In school they teach you that everyone's better off if goods and services are produced by the countries best suited to do so.

So, traditional manufacturing should shift to countries with lower wages, and the U.S. should educate its populace for higher-tech jobs. That way everyone maximizes their earnings, and prices are at their lowest.

The problem is that you can't educate everyone in America for higher-tech jobs. Performance at those jobs isn't just a function of education, it also requires some amount of innate intelligence. There are people with adequate intelligence for manufacturing jobs, but not for higher-tech jobs. We're getting to be a white collar/hamburger flipper economy without a great middle grouond.

If we use tariffs and other measures to keep manufacturing jobs in the U.S., we keep that middle ground. The cost is that we're all paying more for those manufactured products. In effect you end up with:

- wealth redistribution, which liberals like
- but done without outright handouts to individuals, so it's palatable to conservatives

Trump is trying to achieve center/liberal goals in a way that's acceptable to conservatives.

Those of you old enough to recall Clinton know that he pandered to the left, but in reality was more center, and sometimes right of center (as with free trade).

Try to stop hating and just wait and see what he does.

(November 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm)alpha male Wrote: Try to stop hating and just wait and see what he does.

I'm just going to treat Trump the same way conservatives treated Obama. Sound fair?

(November 30, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm)alpha male Wrote: Try to stop hating and just wait and see what he does.

I'm just going to treat Trump the same way conservatives treated Obama.  Sound fair?

Fair? I suppose. Rational and productive? No.

(November 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 8:42 am)mihoda Wrote: Here we are at T -45 days or so and the right is already cheering the perversion of those free markets they claim to love.

I'm more center than right, but here's my take on free markets, tariffs, etc.

In school they teach you that everyone's better off if goods and services are produced by the countries best suited to do so.

Correct. And I used to teach that very course at a college level.

alpha male Wrote:So, traditional manufacturing should shift to countries with lower wages, and the U.S. should educate its populace for higher-tech jobs. That way everyone maximizes their earnings, and prices are at their lowest.

Mostly correct. There are a lot of details glossed over here. But it's reasonable enough to ignore.

alpha male Wrote:The problem is that you can't educate everyone in America for higher-tech jobs. Performance at those jobs isn't just a function of education, it also requires some amount of innate intelligence. There are people with adequate intelligence for manufacturing jobs, but not for higher-tech jobs. We're getting to be a white collar/hamburger flipper economy without a great middle ground.

The mobility of different types of labor is always a bit of guesswork, but for the sake of argument, we can assume this is correct too.

alpha male Wrote:If we use tariffs and other measures to keep manufacturing jobs in the U.S., we keep that middle ground. The cost is that we're all paying more for those manufactured products. In effect you end up with:

- wealth redistribution, which liberals like
- but done without outright handouts to individuals, so it's palatable to conservatives

Trump is trying to achieve center/liberal 
goals in a way that's acceptable to conservatives. 

Those of you old enough to recall Clinton know that he pandered to the left, but in reality was more center, and sometimes right of center (as with free trade).

Try to stop hating and just wait and see what he does.

Here's where you're off the rails. Trade theory worked out the 'shoulds' of this situation a long time ago.  (1) Free trade happens (2) The domestic winners pay off the domestic losers: redistribution (3) everyone is better off than when they started.

The fly in the ointment is that the GOP has never been in favor of redistribution or social safety nets (another form of redistribution for displaced workers).  But instead of arguing that the GOP should suck it the fuck up and learn some econ, you are arguing that we should all be worse off instead.