A woman going through a traumatic experience has a vision that comforts her. I'm not sure what about that is even worth addressing.

Your mom has a "strange feeling" before she finds out someone dies. Again, I'm not sure what there is to address.

The human brain is highly flawed and not actually that good at parsing reality. We can't even trust our memories. They fade over time, and the brain pieces them back together with false bits of information. Hell, just through the power of suggestion you can make people think they've experienced something they haven't. All of this "supernatural" stuff is to be expected with brains like ours.

(February 9, 2017 at 9:40 pm)Faith No More Wrote: A woman going through a traumatic experience has a vision that comforts her.  I'm not sure what about that is even worth addressing.

Your mom has a "strange feeling" before she finds out someone dies.  Again, I'm not sure what there is to address.

The human brain is highly flawed and not actually that good at parsing reality.  We can't even trust our memories.  They fade over time, and the brain pieces them back together with false bits of information.  Hell, just through the power of suggestion you can make people think they've experienced something they haven't. All of this "supernatural" stuff is to be expected with brains like ours.

Thanks for your answer. Would you say even if some people would pick up on someone's death that it wouldn't mean that it is through supernatural means?

And yet again, the only source of information we have to go on is, in this case, "she says". I'm not saying she's lying, necessarily, but equally I can't say she's being truthful either. There is literally zero information.

(February 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And yet again, the only source of information we have to go on is, in this case, "she says". I'm not saying she's lying, necessarily, but equally I can't say she's being truthful either. There is literally zero information.

That's the thing. I knew no one would believe me, so I want to know. If a person really did have the ability to do this, would you still not conclude that it is in fact supernatural?

(February 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And yet again, the only source of information we have to go on is, in this case, "she says". I'm not saying she's lying, necessarily, but equally I can't say she's being truthful either. There is literally zero information.

^^^^

This.  Remember that "personal experiences" are only evidence to those who had the experienced and those so inclined to believe/accept without questioning.  That's the whole "faith" thing.

To the rest of us it's an story.  Much the same way as claims by alien abductees would likely just be a story to you.

(February 9, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Mirek-Polska Wrote: That's the thing. I knew no one would believe me, so I want to know. If a person really did have the ability to do this, would you still not conclude that it is in fact supernatural?

There's that "if" again.

"If" a person could demonstrate this ability, all it would show is that they had the ability. The nature or otherwise of it would still be up for grabs, and you don't get to smuggle it in simply because the first part may be real.

I once saw David Blaine make the Statue of Liberty disappear. Would you not conclude that was in fact supernatural?

And if people aren't believing you, there's probably a reason. Try something more convincing, perhaps?

(February 9, 2017 at 9:54 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(February 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And yet again, the only source of information we have to go on is, in this case, "she says". I'm not saying she's lying, necessarily, but equally I can't say she's being truthful either. There is literally zero information.

^^^^

This.  Remember that "personal experiences" are only evidence to those who had the experienced and those so inclined to believe/accept without questioning.  That's the whole "faith" thing.

To the rest of us it's an story.  Much the same way as claims by alien abductees would likely just be a story to you.

I know what you mean. I am just asking hypothetically, if it were to happen to you, would you assume it is supernatural? or would you still say: I don't know why it happened. Maybe it has been a coincidence, maybe it is something we cannot explain yet (but is not supernatural)

Every time we remember something we create a new memory of that memory. The next time we remember that event we can not be sure if we have the memory or the remembered memory or the rememory of the remembered memory. Shit like this keeps me entertained. Is rememory a word? If not, it is now.

(February 9, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 9, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Mirek-Polska Wrote: That's the thing. I knew no one would believe me, so I want to know. If a person really did have the ability to do this, would you still not conclude that it is in fact supernatural?

There's that "if" again.

"If" a person could demonstrate this ability, all it would show is that they had the ability. The nature or otherwise of it would still be up for grabs, and you don't get to smuggle it in simply because the first part may be real.

I once saw David Blaine make the Statue of Liberty disappear. Would you not conclude that was in fact supernatural?

And if people aren't believing you, there's probably a reason. Try something more convincing, perhaps?

interesting, because I am totally not lying about my mother. I have seen this happen on multiple occasions and she always tells me it has a supernatural power. I remember once telling her that even though it has happened a lot, that it still doesn't demonstrate the supernatural because who is to say that it isn't something else? I mean, I am somewhat skeptical to say that it is only a coincidence. I have seen it a lot. But, the cause could be something that we are not aware of, but not supernatural.

Have you made a note of the times she feels funny and nothing happens?