Question about death to Atheists.

[The Valkyrie]

Sorry...

Hey now, we're supposed to be having fun!

Two nuns in a mine field, "Boom, Boom!"

Two choirboys in a church, "Bang, Bang!"

[chimp3]

Hey now, we're supposed to be having fun!

Two nuns in a mine field, "Boom, Boom!"

Two choirboys in a church, "Bang, Bang!"

Funny! Sick! But funny!

[J a c k]

What would be the god's purpose in giving your mom a strange feeling before she gets the news? It's like my son when he recommends a movie for me to watch and the whole time he gets satisfaction by telling me before the good parts, "Oh! Watch what happens here!" Makes him excited to show off that he knows something I don't about the movie. Is that what your god is doing?
Does he tell your mom how to stop the death from happening, and if so, does he explain why he needs her to intervene?

I could simply answer that not having an explanation for things that people claim happen does not mean there is an afterlife or a god, but I don't want to stop there. I want to suppose it's all indeed divine intervention. Why? For kicks? I'm interested in knowing how this would influence you. He lets your mom in on a secret that cousin Louie died, but ignores the cries for help from the child being tortured in the back of a bus.

How do you embrace that?

That's an interesting question, and I agree with you. One thing though: I didn't actually associate this question with God. I kind of thought that maybe it was actually the spirit of the person telling my mother that he or she passed on. However, after more thought, I kind of think that there may be another explanation (assuming it was not a coincidence) that we do not know of.

What for? Why would those spirits contact your mom?

[The Grand Nudger]

Now, these two phenomenons that I touched on will likely be dismissed by most, but I want to know, how can some atheists on here be so sure that there is nothing after death when there are so many unexplained things?

Everything we know about life and death....I'll be generous and say ....strongly suggests .....that the answer to the -particular- question of whether or not there is life after death, is no...regardless of how many unexplained things there may be in the world. 

Although some people may be lying to get attention, I am sure that the two examples I gave were not lies.

"Lies or life after death" doesn't seem like we've exhausted all possibilities or explanations, to me.

Even if that means there is another explanation we do not know about.

-or one that we do know about but that, for whatever reason....you've omitted, ofc.  

How would you atheists react to some of these things if you were to give the claimer the benefit of the doubt that he/she was not lying?

I generally reserve my conclusion of "lying sack of shit" for demonstrable liars...not people who claim to have experienced this that or the other.  I once saw a demon scurry across US-19.  It was 3am, I was heavily drugged, and there was no demon on US-19 that night or anywhere else...nor has there ever been...but I -did- see it. Make of that what you will...

Are the only options A: Khem is a Liar, or, B: There are demons.....and would some unexplained bit of something somewhere lend any credence to either option a or option b? No one knows where all the socks go that disappear from the dryer..that;s unexplained...is that supportive of demons -or- of my being a liar?

[Nay_Sayer]

I'm stoked for death, I've got a beer volcano, Mansion, Hover Car and doughnut rain waiting for me.

Shame about the op who won't get in though.

[Mirek-Polska]

That's an interesting question, and I agree with you. One thing though: I didn't actually associate this question with God. I kind of thought that maybe it was actually the spirit of the person telling my mother that he or she passed on. However, after more thought, I kind of think that there may be another explanation (assuming it was not a coincidence) that we do not know of.

What for? Why would those spirits contact your mom?

I'm not sure. It was something my family always thought. Maybe they thought the spirit was visiting when the physical body died. I don't fully know why either. I am just reporting that it occurred more times than I am willing to just pass off as "coincidence". It could be, but the more it happens, the less likely it is. I am almost wondering if there is something else at play but something we as humans are not aware of yet.

[ignoramus]

"A question about death to atheists" could be construed as you are asking us the best way to kill us?

[bennyboy]

I'm not sure. It was something my family always thought. Maybe they thought the spirit was visiting when the physical body died. I don't fully know why either. I am just reporting that it occurred more times than I am willing to just pass off as "coincidence". It could be, but the more it happens, the less likely it is. I am almost wondering if there is something else at play but something we as humans are not aware of yet.

A million times misinterpreting an experience as something that it isn't doesn't really add any credibility to the assessment, or any real weight to claims made. For example, if you hallucinate ghosts a million times in your life, it does not make it more likely that ghosts are real. It probably does, however, mean that you are more likely than others to hallucinate ghosts tomorrow.

It's fine to have a sense of mystery. Powerful feelings, hallucinations, and even consciousness itself are quite mysterious. However, the way to proceed should be to try to collect high-quality information to narrow down the possibilities, not to collect personal anecdotes to open the door to whatever imagined possibilities superstitious people can drum up.

[Cato]

My mom has repeatedly had this phenomenon where she will wake up one morning feeling "strange", she will say that she dreamed about a loved one, and that she knows something bad happened to this person. About 10-15 times, it has happened where she will get a call very soon in the next day or two saying that a person she knows (usually the person she dreamed about) has died. 

Seriously? I'm supposed to be impressed by this? Let's assume for the moment what you say is true. This means your mom is a first rate cunt. Instead of sharing her vision with the loved ones she's dreaming about in an effort to stave off death, she just idly sits by waiting for the phone call to confirm her power of dreamy prognostication.

If you now want to claim that the deaths were unavoidable due to terminal illness and the like, then this condition was certainly known by your mother and there's nothing really miraculous about this. In any case she might have had a hundred dreams about their death, but you choose to place significance on the last dream just before the death.

Either way, load of shit.

[Mirek-Polska]

My mom has repeatedly had this phenomenon where she will wake up one morning feeling "strange", she will say that she dreamed about a loved one, and that she knows something bad happened to this person. About 10-15 times, it has happened where she will get a call very soon in the next day or two saying that a person she knows (usually the person she dreamed about) has died. 

Seriously? I'm supposed to be impressed by this? Let's assume for the moment what you say is true. This means your mom is a first rate cunt. Instead of sharing her vision with the loved ones she's dreaming about in an effort to stave off death, she just idly sits by waiting for the phone call to confirm her power of dreamy prognostication.

If you now want to claim that the deaths were unavoidable due to terminal illness and the like, then this condition was certainly known by your mother and there's nothing really miraculous about this. In any case she might have had a hundred dreams about their death, but you choose to place significance on the last dream just before the death.

Either way, load of shit.

a bit of a harsh response to an innocent question, don't you think?