I noticed there are people here that have been fed some wrong information like that god started big bang and "fine-tuned" universe for them, but that has been debunked.
For instance Aron Ra explains in this video




And even Neil Tyson tackled the question

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How are they addressing or refuting that "God started the big bang", though? Sure, there's not reason to think that, but to me it's a non falsifiable claim if there ever was one, and I don't really see them address it in those videos.

(April 9, 2017 at 7:47 am)Alex K Wrote: How are they addressing or refuting that "God started the big bang", though? Sure, there's not reason to think that, but to me it's a non falsifiable claim if there ever was one, and I don't really see them address it in those videos.

They wear gauntlets of purest handwavium to handle those kind of things.

I've heard people say he created the big bang when he said "Let there be light". Except space already existed before then, because there was a void, and a large body of water already there beforehand. People tend to gloss over the fact that he never said "Let there be a body of water". Somehow liquid water already existed in cold dark space when he showed up to start all the other stuff.

(April 9, 2017 at 8:50 am)Chad32 Wrote: I've heard people say he created the big bang when he said "Let there be light". Except space already existed before then, because there was a void, and a large body of water already there beforehand. People tend to gloss over the fact that he never said "Let there be a body of water". Somehow liquid water already existed in cold dark space when he showed up to start all the other stuff.

If we go with either cosmological inflation or variants of ekpyrotic theory as the most successful current scientific hypotheses, the "let there be light" part is actually not the beginning. In inflation, light only comes into play in a process called reheating which occurs after inflation, when the universe is basically completely emptied and the energy contained in the inflaton field(s) gets dumped into all the other fields, thus producing the hot soup from which all current matter originates. So the biblical account is a bit disappointing in that regard.

Certainly if there is some sort of prime mover god... it's not the god of the Bible.

That's my whole issue with the deist god... where do people get the idea that god started everything? Because we are quite certain that if there is some sort of prime mover god, it's not the Yahweh we know from the bible. So where does the idea then come from? Out of their asses?

(April 9, 2017 at 7:47 am)Alex K Wrote: How are they addressing or refuting that "God started the big bang", though?

I guess I did not well expressed myself. They're not necessarily refuting that "God started the big bang" but refuting that big bang is the evidence for god. In case of Aron Ra he also speaks about so called "fine tuning" of the universe for us like when he evokes article by Lawrence Krauss. For instance there is a claim that some creationists on this forum believe and which goes: "Astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp."

And Krauss explains it: "It is true that a small change in the strength of the four known forces (but nowhere near as small as Metaxas argues) would imply that stable protons and neutrons, the basis of atomic nuclei, might not exist. (The universe, however, would—a rather large error in the Metaxas piece.) This is old news and, while it’s an interesting fact, it certainly does not require a deity.
The constants of the universe indeed allow the existence of life as we know it. However, it is much more likely that life is tuned to the universe rather than the other way around. We survive on Earth in part because Earth’s gravity keeps us from floating off. But the strength of gravity selects a planet like Earth, among the variety of planets, to be habitable for life forms like us. Reversing the sense of cause and effect in this statement, as Metaxas does in cosmology, is like saying that it’s a miracle that everyone’s legs are exactly long enough to reach the ground."

and so on http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/a...e-case-god

(April 10, 2017 at 1:07 am)AceBoogie Wrote: Certainly if there is some sort of prime mover god... it's not the god of the Bible.

Certainly and that's why Neil Tyson mentions when Georges Lemaitre (priest) came with a theory of Big Bang people were asking him "Is this proof of creation from the Bible?" and he said "no" because "Bible describes creation of universe in six days."

It was all a mistake.

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I don't know why that doesn't work.

http://i.imgur.com/SnEaKD4.gif

Life is fine tuned for the universe rather than the other way round. The randomness that allowed abiogenesis on Earth was not a given because many variables had to come into existence to make
that possible. Variables which were not necessarily more probable than other variables. Such as Earth being an optimum distance from the Sun / liquid water on Earth / ice having less density than water / the ability of plants to photo synthesise / an atmosphere to regulate temperature and to filter radiation / a period of stability long enough for life to evolve and diversify. Life however is still infinitesimally rare in the universe with Earth being the only planet to date known to actually have any. Even exo planets are not known to have any. Most worlds are either too near or too far from
their respective stars to probably be capable of supporting any type of life. Though water is supposed to be underneath the surfaces of both Titan and Neptune despite their distances from the Sun