(July 19, 2017 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(July 18, 2017 at 11:22 am)Dropship Wrote: Wow, this sensational thread has already produced 5 pages of replies, proving yet again just how much interest a young 30-yr-old carpenter generates 2000 years after his worldly death and makes Christianity the biggest peloton on the road..
Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)

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Here's a selection of AF members quotes from pages 1/2 with more to come, my replies are in pretty green ink-

Chad32 quote- "What's this about dissing his mother that one time?.."
Where? In what verse did JC diss his mum?
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Mister Agenda quote- "..Personally, I just pick out the good stuff (like the parable of the Good Samaritan) and ignore the rest."
And which was the bad stuff ?
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Astonished quote- "..This is the problem with hero-worship. You idealize the person and ignore their flaws.."
What flaws did JC have?
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Mordant quote- "We have different reasons for not believing (for example) that Jesus was god...
.....he doesn't denounce slavery or affirm women as something more than chattel...
....At the end of the day Jesus is a product of his times, leading from behind...
1-Good for you mate, only cack-brained fundies think JC was God, despite him saying he wasn't.-
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
2- Jesus didn't have a bucket list of things to denounce, for examp he never said a word about GLBT's, not a single word..
3- I wouldn't think being crucified is "leading from behind"
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Vorlon13 quote-"..atheists reject 100% of all Gods."
Yay for atheists rejecting phoney "gods", but the Judeo-Christian god is the real deal, so don't throw him out with the bathwater..
 God said- "Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good." (Jeremiah 10:5)


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Deidre quote- "So you've never stood up for something you believe in OP? That's all Jesus was doing, in that story."
JC made it clear he wasn't operating on his own initiative as a one-man show-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)
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Khemikal quote- "..Jesus rates as an also-ran in the overall field of good ghost stories.."
Thomas thought JC was a ghost too til he said- "Here you numpty, feel my scars!"-

Seriously? Look how popular Jesus is by the comments?

That would be like thousands turning out to see the execution of a notorious serial killer and the killer screaming "look how many people live me!"

More like the WLB claiming the crowd at his inauguration was Bigly.

(July 18, 2017 at 11:22 am)Dropship Wrote: Deidre quote- "So you've never stood up for something you believe in OP? That's all Jesus was doing, in that story."
JC made it clear he wasn't operating on his own initiative as a one-man show-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)
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I guess literal is your go-to text decoding device.

Quote:Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

Wait...wait.... I thought they were one and the same?  Why can't these jesus freak shitwits keep their story straight?

(July 17, 2017 at 10:34 am)Dropship Wrote: To me Jesus ROCKS...

Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.

(July 19, 2017 at 9:14 pm)Epiphany Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 10:34 am)Dropship Wrote: To me Jesus ROCKS...

Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM." Again, this hero-worship crap leads to nothing good. Take the concepts on their own merit and disregard the identity of the speaker.

(July 19, 2017 at 9:14 pm)Epiphany Wrote:

(July 17, 2017 at 10:34 am)Dropship Wrote: To me Jesus ROCKS...

Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.

No, no.... allah is the one with the rocks.

God is great! (at demoralising humans and turning them against each other!) Way to go God, my arseholiness....

(July 19, 2017 at 10:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 9:14 pm)Epiphany Wrote: Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.

No, no.... allah is the one with the rocks.

Jehovah used to have rocks too, but his followers disarmed him a couple thousand years ago. Now he has to content himself with guilt, shame, and fear.

Mister Agenda quote- "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28
Someone in the audience would reasonably have taken Jesus to be talking about his permanent return in glory to rule the world. Since that didn't happen, an ad hoc explanation had to be made up in order to be able to say that this statement is still true, at the cost of changing its plain meaning.
The verse is open to interpretation, the most reasonable one is that JC was talking about the establishing of Christianity on earth.
PS- anyway he's not coming back to "rule the world", he's coming back to whisk us off to a another place-
"..when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels and they will gather his elect from the four winds.."

https://youtu.be/8MW3KJUa8FQ

EDIT- drat, I can't make that Close Encounters link display properly (sniffle)

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The Valkyrie quote- Seriously? Look how popular Jesus is by the comments?
No, my point was that considering a lot of AF members are saying he was just a myth and fairytale, they still like talking about him in the 8 pages of this sensational thread. He was as real as Elvis, and the similarities are uncanny..
"After Jesus spent the night in prayer,everybody tried to touch him because power was coming from him" (Luke 6:12-19)



　
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drfuzzy quote- The very definition of atheism as defined by Merriam-Webster is:

a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b : a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods

I will happily change my mind when your imaginary friend shows up, walks across a swimming pool, heals a few amputees and others, and answers a whole boatload of questions. There is nothing you can say or do or post that will fulfill those requirements.
He answered a bunch of questions in the gospels! And his 37 miracles are pretty powerful evidence that he was able to channel the power of the universe through himself just like he said-
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" (Matt 28:18 )
"I am not of this world ....though you do not believe me, believe the miracles..." (John 8:23,John 10:38,Matt 13:35)
But some people found him very scary so they killed him, Klaatu and Data got the same rough treatment-





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Ignoramus quote- OP, you like Princess Leia more than Darth Vader?
That's cool...
 You know, it's OK to like Darth Vader... in lots of different ways...
We know what the bible says about that!
Maybe you do like Darth a lot more but aren't allowed to admit it?
Well, Vader was a tough warrior and born leader so I respect him for that because he's a lot like me, I'm a -- ahem-- computer wargaming champion under my fighting name 'PoorOldSpike'..



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Minimalist quote- "Wait...wait.... I thought they [God and Jesus] were one and the same? Why can't these jesus freak shitwits keep their story straight?"
You'd better ask them mate..
Jesus made it crystal clear he wasn't God-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
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Mordant quote- He [Dropship] was suggesting that the divinity of Christ is a fringe idea of a few nutjobs. It is a central tenet of Christian orthodoxy, and included in all the major credal statements. So it's the fringe idea of a whole LOT of nutjobs. You would be treated as a heretic by the vast majority of the church, Catholic and Protestant, for denying the divinity of Christ.
I don't give a rat's ass what organised religion thinks!
Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
Anyway it depends what they mean by "divine".  He was half-human, half-God, so he was only "half-divine"..
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Epiphany quote- Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.
Buddha was a great truthseeker but the bottom line is he was just a human giving us his own guesses and hunches,whereas Jesus had a direct line to God, there's the difference..
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

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(July 20, 2017 at 11:44 am)Dropship Wrote:

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Mister Agenda quote- "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28
Someone in the audience would reasonably have taken Jesus to be talking about his permanent return in glory to rule the world. Since that didn't happen, an ad hoc explanation had to be made up in order to be able to say that this statement is still true, at the cost of changing its plain meaning.
The verse is open to interpretation, the most reasonable one is that JC was talking about the establishing of Christianity on earth.
PS- anyway he's not coming back to "rule the world", he's coming back to whisk us off to a another place-
"..when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels and they will gather his elect from the four winds.."

https://youtu.be/8MW3KJUa8FQ

EDIT- drat, I can't make that Close Encounters link display properly (sniffle)

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The Valkyrie quote- Seriously? Look how popular Jesus is by the comments?
No, my point was that considering a lot of AF members are saying he was just a myth and fairytale, they still like talking about him in the 8 pages of this sensational thread. He was as real as Elvis, and the similarities are uncanny..
"After Jesus spent the night in prayer,everybody tried to touch him because power was coming from him" (Luke 6:12-19)



　

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drfuzzy quote- The very definition of atheism as defined by Merriam-Webster is:

a : a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b : a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods

I will happily change my mind when your imaginary friend shows up, walks across a swimming pool, heals a few amputees and others, and answers a whole boatload of questions. There is nothing you can say or do or post that will fulfill those requirements.
He answered a bunch of questions in the gospels! And his 37 miracles are pretty powerful evidence that he was able to channel the power of the universe through himself just like he said-
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" (Matt 28:18 )
"I am not of this world ....though you do not believe me, believe the miracles..." (John 8:23,John 10:38,Matt 13:35)
But some people found him very scary so they killed him, Klaatu and Data got the same rough treatment-

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Ignoramus quote- OP, you like Princess Leia more than Darth Vader?
That's cool...
 You know, it's OK to like Darth Vader... in lots of different ways...
We know what the bible says about that!
Maybe you do like Darth a lot more but aren't allowed to admit it?
Well, Vader was a tough warrior and born leader so I respect him for that because he's a lot like me, I'm a -- ahem-- computer wargaming champion under my fighting name 'PoorOldSpike'..



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Minimalist quote- "Wait...wait.... I thought they [God and Jesus] were one and the same? Why can't these jesus freak shitwits keep their story straight?"
You'd better ask them mate..
Jesus made it crystal clear he wasn't God-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
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Mordant quote- He [Dropship] was suggesting that the divinity of Christ is a fringe idea of a few nutjobs. It is a central tenet of Christian orthodoxy, and included in all the major credal statements. So it's the fringe idea of a whole LOT of nutjobs. You would be treated as a heretic by the vast majority of the church, Catholic and Protestant, for denying the divinity of Christ.
I don't give a rat's ass what organised religion thinks!
Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
Anyway it depends what they mean by "divine".  He was half-human, half-God, so he was only "half-divine"..
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Epiphany quote- Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.
Buddha was a great truthseeker but the bottom line is he was just a human giving us his own guesses and hunches,whereas Jesus had a direct line to God, there's the difference..
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

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You're making progress! It's so great that you place Jesus, Klaatu, and Data in the same category - all fictional characters.  Did you actually think a wholly babble quote was relevant to ANY discussion?  It's a book of fiction.  No quotes from a book, no personal tales, no fantasies about your imaginary friend mean anything more than "I think Data was cool". The "personal relationship with Jesus" bullshit is equal to a kid who wears his Batman cape to bed.  Have your imaginary friend show up in person or fuck off.