(August 20, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Court Jester Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I am all for it provided they use all their ammo on you as marksmanship training target first. After all trump's Court need no jester.

We have a legal path to citizenship. You don't have to like it; but if they aren't going to fight to help their own country, what benefit do they serve this country? Absolutely zero.

Well, isn't this a juicy little non-sequitur.

(August 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Court Jester Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You're a murderous little prick, aren't you.  How about you volunteer instead of having soldiers who could better be employed elsewhere standing out in the fucking desert in 120 degrees looking for immigrants to shoot down?  Oh, and watch out for the snakes and scorpions.

Eight years in the Marines. Five as a scout sniper. You'd be surprised how many Marines would actually be very open to that idea.

[citation needed]

(August 20, 2017 at 4:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Court Jester Wrote: We have a legal path to citizenship. You don't have to like it; but if they aren't going to fight to help their own country, what benefit do they serve this country? Absolutely zero.

Well, isn't this a juicy little non-sequitur.

Yup classic fallacy .

And people won't walk a broken path . And yes I don't like broken path's .

(August 20, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Court Jester Wrote: Eight years in the Marines. Five as a scout sniper. You'd be surprised how many Marines would actually be very open to that idea.

[citation needed]

Yeah, as a matter of fact I would be surprised.  We train soldiers....not murderers.  And if a dickhead like you got through well it just goes to show that they have to tighten up their recruiting standards.

Indeed I was unaware the united states trained death squads . And sent them after women and children . American Cossacks ?

(August 20, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Indeed I was unaware the united states trained death squads . And sent them after women and children . American Cossacks ?

Well no. They actually don't. Everyone has their own improvement ideas though.
If you think the military is loaded with morals and heart warming mindsets, you've clearly never been enlisted. I've never met a heart warming marine. Passionate, giving, caring yes, but only at a very limited level about very limited things.

(August 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Court Jester Wrote: Well no. They actually don't. Everyone has their own improvement ideas though.

That you think death squads would be an improvement is very telling.

Quote:Well no. They actually don't. Everyone has their own improvement ideas though.

Oh good then .Mine would be rounding up people like you and starting a Polar Bear feeding program .

(August 20, 2017 at 8:02 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Court Jester Wrote: Well no. They actually don't. Everyone has their own improvement ideas though.

That you think death squads would be an improvement is very telling.

Hey. Problems are solvable. The government could do it, though it may not be too socially acceptable.
I would also be open to letting them in if they lived with an American citizen until they earned their citizenship. Would you open your house up to a family or two??? If you would, I can hook you up. My guess is that you're only okay with it as long as society as a whole pays for it.

(August 20, 2017 at 5:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 5:27 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: [citation needed]

Yeah, as a matter of fact I would be surprised.  We train soldiers....not murderers.  And if a dickhead like you got through well it just goes to show that they have to tighten up their recruiting standards.

I've known plenty of Marines, served alongside a few on TDY and whatnot, and my experience is that like most service-members, they are decent people who take little gusto from their assigned duties even as they perform them with aplomb.

My own stepfather was a recon Marine in Vietnam, 65-66, a radioman doing LRRPs in an 81-man company. He earned the Bronze Star for his actions in a firefight where while pinned down by a VC sniper behind a railroad track, he was still able under fire to not only call in air support but to help direct the fall of fire.

He knew for a fact that he's killed three men, and that knowledge plagued him the rest of his life. (He died in 1990 in an industrial accident). He had been raised in Wyoming, hunting since the age of eight or nine, but after he came home from the war, he swore he'd never kill another thing -- and outside of spiders he kept that oath. "The only thing I shoot anymore is a camera, Darrell," he told me -- and lordy but what he was good at it!

I don't think he was exceptional, at all. Other combat vets I've known and worked with were also deeply moved by the fact that they'd killed another human, and while most of them were willing to do so again so long as they were serving the colors, I never heard a one of them look forward to the prospect with glee.

I should add that none of those I knew were snipers. There may be something else going on that I'm ignorant of.

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(August 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Court Jester Wrote: If you think the military is loaded with morals and heart warming mindsets, you've clearly never been enlisted. I've never met a heart warming marine. Passionate, giving, caring yes, but only at a very limited level about very limited things.

I wasn't a Marine; I was Air Force. We were nevertheless under no illusions. Our mission, as we put it, was to "kill people and break things", and we did our mission well enough to merit commendation. I'm proud I served, but have mixed emotions about helping to kill people who may not have done anything worse than huddle in a bomb shelter.

I've met plenty of heart-warming individuals from all branches. I've met many who understood the gravity of our actions. I don't think I've met one who would join you on the Rio Grande to take target practice at civilians.

You should probably stick to speaking for yourself, rather than assuming that your views represent those of the American fighting man. It's easy to say you'd be happy shooting civvies while posting online, because talk is cheap. Forgive my skepticism.