(September 20, 2017 at 11:50 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 11:33 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I'm familiar with the WOW signal, I was an adult when it came through. BFD.

It is a big deal; how could it not be?  If it was some sort of narrow beacon, that would explain why it was observed in one horn and not the other.  It would also explain why it was centered exactly on the hydrogen line of the EM, which is where one would expect ET to be transmitting any sort of message or at least carrier.

It's not from ET. Get over it.

(September 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 11:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: It is a big deal; how could it not be?  If it was some sort of narrow beacon, that would explain why it was observed in one horn and not the other.  It would also explain why it was centered exactly on the hydrogen line of the EM, which is where one would expect ET to be transmitting any sort of message or at least carrier.

It's not from ET. Get over it.

How do you know this?  If the signal was natural or from Earth, where, exactly, did it come from?

Quote:Two different values for the signal's frequency have been given: 7009142036000000000♠1420.36 MHz (J. D. Kraus) and 7009142046000000000♠1420.46 MHz (J. R. Ehman), both very close to the value of 7009142041000000000♠1420.41 MHz of the hydrogen line, as predicted by Morrison and Cocconi. The two values are nearly the same distance apart from the hydrogen line – the first 7004497500000000000♠0.04975 MHz (7004497500000000000♠49.75 kHz) below and the second 7004498500000000000♠0.04985 MHz (49.85 kHz) above.[7]

The frequency at 1420 is a protected frequency, and if the signal was from Earth in violation of international law, then it should have been detected in both horns, instead of one.  Ditto if it was a natural signal.  As such, an interstellar rotating beacon of unknown, yet artificial origins, is a completely plausible explanation.  This is, of course, not scientific evidence; for that, one needs replication, but it is at least plausible evidence nonetheless.  On the other hand, if you have an explanation other than "unknown, just not ET", then please post it.

ONE burp does not an alien civilization make.

(September 20, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: ONE burp does not an alien civilization make.

I am just claiming that it is possible not that it is true.  Either the signal was artificial or natural, excluding the "workings" of demons, fairies, witches, etc., etc.

(September 20, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: ONE burp does not an alien civilization make.

I am just claiming that it is possible not that it is true.  Either the signal was artificial or natural, excluding the "workings" of demons, fairies, witches, etc., etc.

And natural wins by a mile.

(September 20, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I am just claiming that it is possible not that it is true.  Either the signal was artificial or natural, excluding the "workings" of demons, fairies, witches, etc., etc.

And natural wins by a mile.

That's where we disagree; if the explanation was so manifestly natural, what is it?  By the way, ET is a natural explanation, as are we!  If the signal would be replicated, then no one would doubt the fact that it is due to extraterrestrial intelligence.  But, I agree that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and as ET is an extraordinary claim, then the signal would need to be at least replicated.  However, given that it was such a strong, narrowband signal implies either an artificial origin, even if such is terrestrial, or a strange, non-artificial origin, which would also be strange, as there are no astronomical phenomenon yet known that produce such a signal and the area of the sky that the signal originated from is completely empty.  And, the fact that it was centered directly on the hydrogen line, which is the most abundant element in the universe, also seems odd.

I'd say the odds of intelligent life occurring elsewhere in the universe is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1.

(September 20, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: And natural wins by a mile.

That's where we disagree; if the explanation was so manifestly natural, what is it?  By the way, ET is a natural explanation, as are we!  If the signal would be replicated, then no one would doubt the fact that it is due to extraterrestrial intelligence.  But, I agree that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and as ET is an extraordinary claim, then the signal would need to be at least replicated.  However, given that it was such a strong, narrowband signal implies either an artificial origin, even if such is terrestrial, or a strange, non-artificial origin, which would also be strange, as there are no astronomical phenomenon yet known that produce such a signal and the area of the sky that the signal originated from is completely empty.  And, the fact that it was centered directly on the hydrogen line, which is the most abundant element in the universe, also seems odd.

Cell phones would seem odd to Catherine the Great.

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(September 20, 2017 at 2:16 pm)Hammy Wrote: I'd say the odds of intelligent life occurring elsewhere in the universe is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1.

I'd be pleased if there were intelligent life out there. I would be surprised if it were anywhere near us. Two trillion galaxies, hundreds of millions of stars on average in each.

(September 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 11:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: It is a big deal; how could it not be?  If it was some sort of narrow beacon, that would explain why it was observed in one horn and not the other.  It would also explain why it was centered exactly on the hydrogen line of the EM, which is where one would expect ET to be transmitting any sort of message or at least carrier.

It's not from ET. Get over it.

It is not convincingly from ET. We have no fricking clue whether it is from ET or not.

(September 20, 2017 at 4:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It's not from ET. Get over it.

It is not convincingly from ET.  We have no fricking clue whether it is from ET or not.

One burst of random noise coming from the Universe. Which way would you bet?