(September 20, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually grew up atheist-is and knew absolutely nothing of pass through it's gates. it wasn't to much later and much study that I could vett my experience of Hell with exactly what is described in scripture.

I can post a link as I have posted this story before, but the short version was I could not imagine what the big deal about hell was if we were dead. how do you burn a spirit right? so I mock God's people he sent to try I even sent a message back with one of them that if god gave me a chance I'd spit in his eye.... didn't quite turn out that way.

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So, when you were an atheist, god came to you?

(September 20, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually grew up atheist-is and knew absolutely nothing of pass through it's gates. it wasn't to much later and much study that I could vett my experience of Hell with exactly what is described in scripture.

It is quite possible to acquire "knowledge" of an imaginary place if it is pervasive enough in one's culture, and for that reason I am all too familiar with the hell concept.  I grew up without religion, but have never been able to develop religious faith or actual belief in places like heaven or hell.

Quote:I can post a link as I have posted this story before, but the short version was I could not imagine what the big deal about hell was if we were dead. how do you burn a spirit right? so I mock God's people he sent to try I even sent a message back with one of them that if god gave me a chance I'd spit in his eye.... didn't quite turn out that way.

I say again:  Seek counselling.  There is something in your story that suggests you may have suffered some sort of psychotic break or other neurological/psychological trauma.  If "God's people" were exhorting you to believe, and if at that time you were under high stress from some other cause, it is entirely possible that they exploited that weakness to convert you.

You deserve better than to base your worldview on fear of being punished by a "loving" god.

Drich Wrote:

Quote:~Jesus is the most recorded person in History.~

Excellent. Now post a few links please.

(August 25, 2017 at 8:46 am)ignoramus Wrote: Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?
He will never help you when you are ill. He will never be your wingman in battle. Never protect you from harm.

Today I was with friends and the topic of the earthquake in Mexico City came up. It was mentioned that 11 members of a family were killed as they were attending a religious ceremony together at the time. I remarked that considering god is supposed to bless the righteous and confound the wicked, that is a pretty painful thing for a religious person to experience.

To my astonishment, one of my friends, who is not a church-goer or particularly even a theist, thought that remark was in bad taste as he somehow thought I was making fun of these folk's misfortune when I was objecting to it.

Religious people -- or those who sympathize with them (this guy's wife is a devoted member of the Salvation Army) don't want to even have it pointed out that god will never help you or reveal himself to you. Or any other inconvenient truth.

So my conclusion is that yes theists are perfectly comfortable as they simply pretend these things aren't issues. All they see is life's blessings, which they attribute to their god, and everything else is all the fault of specific humans or humanity in general or some proxy like Satan, or -- to the extent god has anything to do with it, it's his "Mysterious Ways". Easy-peasey.

(September 15, 2017 at 5:13 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 15, 2017 at 12:12 am)Godscreated Wrote: That in no way can apply to me because I give the credit to God for my understanding of the scriptures, I on my own couldn't do such. I depend on the One who gave us His word to show me what it means in it's whole.

You have no way of determining whether what you think is your god is just you imagining it all or not. And your understanding of scripture that you imagine was given to by a god is very different to everyone else's understanding of scripture who also imagine that they are being guided by their god. This is because you lack critical thinking skills to realise this and consequently are a classic of example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

I have critical thinking, but do not need to us it where God is concerned I trust Him totally. Tell me where my knowledge of salvation differs from others here or anywhere else. As Jesus said, His people will know when He speaks to them. I'm not here to pretend about God, that would be stupid and not using critical thinking.

GC

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(September 15, 2017 at 9:10 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(September 15, 2017 at 12:12 am)Godscreated Wrote: Any scriptures you've discussed with me and misinterpreted them I've corrected you about them and yet you still refuse to see.

Actually, I make it a point not to discuss your scriptures with you, or anyone. I may bring up the odd reference here and there for various reasons, but to me it's like a discussion about Game of Thrones; uninteresting and pointless. The book is so bloated, so haphazardly compiled, any bit one cares to cite will always be negated by a different bit that says the opposite. Like matter and antimatter, that cancels out the whole thing for me. Hitting me over the head with the book can't knock me out faster than simply pulling out the least verse from it.

So basically, I'm pointing out that you're not likely to have scored a victory over me in that game, because I refuse to play it. That's all.

If you're not interested in the Bible at all then how can you make such incorrect assumptions about it, and how is it you can believe that is contradicts itself when you don't care. Please show me a contradiction.

GC

GC, I've said that it's a game I have no interest in playing. I ask you to respect that and not try to draw me into childish arguments.

(September 25, 2017 at 12:35 am)Cyberman Wrote: What assumptions do I make? I would really like to know.

Did you not see how incoherent that entire post was? The guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Why anyone bothers wasting time on him at this point is just bizarre.

(September 25, 2017 at 12:15 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 15, 2017 at 5:13 am)Mathilda Wrote: You have no way of determining whether what you think is your god is just you imagining it all or not. And your understanding of scripture that you imagine was given to by a god is very different to everyone else's understanding of scripture who also imagine that they are being guided by their god. This is because you lack critical thinking skills to realise this and consequently are a classic of example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

I have critical thinking, but do not need to us it where God is concerned I trust Him totally. Tell me where my knowledge of salvation differs from others here or anywhere else. As Jesus said, His people will know when He speaks to them. I'm not here to pretend about God, that would be stupid and not using critical thinking.

Then you are not applying your critical thinking skills, by your own admission. Same difference as to not having them in the first place.

(September 25, 2017 at 12:15 am)Godscreated Wrote: If you're not interested in the Bible at all then how can you make such incorrect assumptions about it, and how is it you can believe that is contradicts itself when you don't care. Please show me a contradiction.

GC

Three days off and this is the best reset you can come up with? One of many, many times you've brought this up and you've had your arse spanked each time.

(September 25, 2017 at 2:00 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 12:15 am)Godscreated Wrote: I have critical thinking, but do not need to us it where God is concerned I trust Him totally. Tell me where my knowledge of salvation differs from others here or anywhere else. As Jesus said, His people will know when He speaks to them. I'm not here to pretend about God, that would be stupid and not using critical thinking.

Then you are not applying your critical thinking skills, by your own admission. Same difference as to not having them in the first place.

Just because you do not believe you seem to think it nullifies my belief and thinking, you are absolutely wrong.

GC