(December 13, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: My question for any of this, is why did they think that?

That's a complex issue, especially if you are not ready or willing to examine the realities of the earliest, so-called, xtians.

The first step is to lose the idea that the earliest xtians were some sort of unified group.

I would be interested, if you want to get into the details and facts to support that claim.

(December 13, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:And here was I thinking this thread would be about how Henry Tudor supressed all record of the reign of Richard IV, after his son Edmund killed Richard III at Bosworth.

See what happens when you assume?

Quote: I cant say this enough, but even Asia and India had/has its superstitions and histories of holy leaders feeling entitled to fight rival sects.

True enough, Brian.  But they all go out  of their way to deny that rather base history.

I know I am a pain repeating that basically every religion was started in an age of ignorance, but we do still today, not just atheists, but theists as well, get stuck on labels and details instead of looking at long term history worldwide. Point is I think it needs to be argued more, not less. 

Think Sagan's Pale Blue Dot.

(December 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(December 13, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's a complex issue, especially if you are not ready or willing to examine the realities of the earliest, so-called, xtians.

The first step is to lose the idea that the earliest xtians were some sort of unified group.

I would be interested, if you want to get into the details and facts to support that claim.

Before I waste my time do you only accept "facts" which the church has blessed?

It does matter min . He will continue to invent excuses . And yup christians have never been a unified group . They have always been a feuding plotting cult . Caring little for the historical legitimacy of their beliefs .

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(December 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I would be interested, if you want to get into the details and facts to support that claim.

Before I waste my time do you only accept "facts" which the church has blessed?

The answer would likely be yes . Because the evidence does not matter .thou i doubt he will admit this.

Seems you were right, Tiz.

Christianity -- ain't my horse, I ain't gonna ride it.

Too bad Theodosius the II didn't say that.

(January 8, 2018 at 10:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Too bad Theodosius the II didn't say that.

Yeah, it may be that some babies are best strangled in the crib.