(December 16, 2017 at 4:42 pm)Haipule Wrote: It's amazing how many disasters this old earth has gone through over the ages. If you combine that with the pseudoscience's of "snowball earth" and "expanding earth" theory then how did anything survive these disasters? Evolution is forced to conclude that enough survived but, evolution drives me ape!

Snowball earth is a perfectly decent hypothesis

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I like to make a correction to what I said. The minimum stable orbital speed about Milky Way at the solar distance from center of Milky Way is not 150km/s, but effectively ~0km /s, as in the case of an extremely elliptical orbit about the center of milky way with major axis equal to the distance from the solar system to the center milky way, and a very small minority axis compare to the major axis. I will calculate how small the major axis can be without the object falling into the Roche limit about the core of milky way when I get home.

This does ignore the fact that elliptical motion about the center of milky way would not quite observe Kepler's law of motion because milky way can not be approximated ad a point mass at one center of the eclipse.

It would still be unusual, to say the least, to encounter any such object at the galactic apogee of its orbit, unless, of course, there were a lot of such objects.  Conservation of angular momentum vs-a-vie destiny wave theory (spiral arms and all) at least implies that most of the mass of our Galaxy (excluding the core) traverses the Milky Way in mostly circular orbits, and most of that activity (excluding global clusters, of course) is confined to the disc of our Galaxy.

(December 31, 1969 at 8:00 pm)Haipule Wrote: I think your understanding of geologic history and those old mineral deposits could lead to finding zircon.

It's amazing how many disasters this old earth has gone through over the ages. If you combine that with the pseudoscience's of "snowball earth" and "expanding earth" theory then how did anything survive these disasters? Evolution is forced to conclude that enough survived but, evolution drives me ape!

there is no good evidence life on earth survived the late heavy bombardment 3.9 billion years ago. Earliest commonly accepted evidence of life on earth post date that bombardment.

Although evidence suggest environment on earth might have already been habitable to life before the great late bombardment, evidence thus far presented for life having actually existed before the great bombardment is not gaining much traction in the professional community.

In any case, even if it is demonstrated that life existed on earth before the great bombardment, that in itself doesn't prove these early life survived and left descendants after the bombardment. Life may well have been wiped out and arose again from scratch.

(December 16, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(December 31, 1969 at 8:00 pm)Haipule Wrote: I think your understanding of geologic history and those old mineral deposits could lead to finding zircon.

It's amazing how many disasters this old earth has gone through over the ages. If you combine that with the pseudoscience's of "snowball earth" and "expanding earth" theory then how did anything survive these disasters? Evolution is forced to conclude that enough survived but, evolution drives me ape!

there is no good evidence life on earth survived the late heavy bombardment 3.9 billion years ago.  Earliest commonly accepted evidence of life on earth post date that bombardment.

Although evidence suggest environment on earth might have already been habitable to life before the great late bombardment,  evidence thus far presented for life having actually existed before the great bombardment is not gaining much traction in the professional community.

In any case, even if it is demonstrated that life existed on earth before the great bombardment, that in itself doesn't prove these early life survived and left descendants after the bombardment. Life may well have been wiped out and arose again from scratch.

Apparently, "evolution" then, has to keep restarting because global environmental disasters keep happening from the beginning. If we look at "snowball" earth theory to explain the observed science, then many scientists have hypothesized that nothing could have survived except that which lay dormant in the ice such as seeds. Other scientists say that that is impossible because we are here. But that hypotheses ignores observed evidence.

Yet, snowball earth is very recent geologic history

It doesn't have to keep restarting.  We don't know whether it ever needed to restart even once.  The catastrophies which we have evidence for life surviving presented no condition which some life that currently exists on earth can not be demonstrated in the laboratory to be capable of surviving.

You seem to exhibit an unseemingly eagerness to latch onto out of context sound bite that can misinterpreted to make evolution sound to people of a similar biase as you to be less plausible.

(December 16, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It doesn't have to keep restarting.  We don't know whether it ever needed to restart even once.  The catastrophies which we have evidence for life surviving presented no condition which some life that currently exists on earth can not be demonstrated in the laboratory to be capable of surviving.

You seem to exhibit an unseemingly eagerness to latch onto out of context sound bite that can misinterpreted to make evolution sound to people of a similar biase as you to be less plausible.

Not true! Similar biase? Please tell me who that is! Don't bother! I am an intellect yes, a comedian yes. But, I am also a sponge! Right now I am communicating with you because you are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY smarter then me! We only established a thought of continuous disaster. Therefore, how evolution? I have need to be YOUR student. Yet, we can't ignore the continuous disasters if we wish to but things in a geological correct context, whatever that is.

The bible itself has zero conflict with what you have said--NONE! How could it! Does understanding what the bible says make me smart? Or, does it make me curious? The bible says that if I make the companion of fools, I will be a fool! I would rather be befriended by you, because your not a fool, then a thousand clergy, whom are fools!

(December 16, 2017 at 9:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It would still be unusual, to say the least, to encounter any such object at the galactic apogee of its orbit, unless, of course, there were a lot of such objects.  Conservation of angular momentum vs-a-vie destiny wave theory (spiral arms and all) at least implies that most of the mass of our Galaxy (excluding the core) traverses the Milky Way in mostly circular orbits, and most of that activity (excluding global clusters, of course) is confined to the disc of our Galaxy.

That’s probably right. But much of the stars that do orbit the Milky Way out of plane or in odd or retrograde orbits may come not from globular clusters, but stripped from other galaxies cannibalizes by the Milky Way.

This creates the possibility that any interstellar object that enter the solar system with abnormally high initial velocity is not just extrasolar, but has a significant probability of being extragalactic in origin.

(December 16, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(December 16, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It doesn't have to keep restarting.  We don't know whether it ever needed to restart even once.  The catastrophies which we have evidence for life surviving presented no condition which some life that currently exists on earth can not be demonstrated in the laboratory to be capable of surviving.

You seem to exhibit an unseemingly eagerness to latch onto out of context sound bite that can misinterpreted to make evolution sound to people of a similar biase as you to be less plausible.

Not true! Similar biase? Please tell me who that is! Don't bother! I am an intellect yes, a comedian yes. But, I am also a sponge! Right now I am communicating with you because you are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY smarter then me! We only established a thought of continuous disaster. Therefore, how evolution? I have need to be YOUR student. Yet, we can't ignore the continuous disasters if we wish to but things in a geological correct context, whatever that is.

The bible itself has zero conflict with what you have said--NONE! How could it! Does understanding what the bible says make me smart? Or, does it make me curious? The bible says that if I make the companion of fools, I will be a fool! I would rather be befriended by you, because your not a fool, then a thousand clergy, whom are fools!

Dood, your pot is cracked, sorry to say.

(December 16, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(December 16, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It doesn't have to keep restarting.  We don't know whether it ever needed to restart even once.  The catastrophies which we have evidence for life surviving presented no condition which some life that currently exists on earth can not be demonstrated in the laboratory to be capable of surviving.

You seem to exhibit an unseemingly eagerness to latch onto out of context sound bite that can misinterpreted to make evolution sound to people of a similar biase as you to be less plausible.

Not true! Similar biase? Please tell me who that is! Don't bother! I am an intellect yes, a comedian yes. But, I am also a sponge! Right now I am communicating with you because you are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY smarter then me! We only established a thought of continuous disaster. Therefore, how evolution? I have need to be YOUR student. Yet, we can't ignore the continuous disasters if we wish to but things in a geological correct context, whatever that is.

The bible itself has zero conflict with what you have said--NONE! How could it! Does understanding what the bible says make me smart? Or, does it make me curious? The bible says that if I make the companion of fools, I will be a fool! I would rather be befriended by you, because your not a fool, then a thousand clergy, whom are fools!

No. You are a tedious boring person.