I've lost touch with them now, but many years ago I was good friends with a couple who were wiccan. I thought the respecting nature and respecting each other aspects of it were good. But they also pretty firmly believed in the supernatural which is where they lost me on it.

They were both genuinely into it full time. And they genuinely tried to encourage all their friends including me to join. The problem is, they would generally do that by saying 'oh just come with us to <insert gathering/event> for the weekend, you'll love it. I never went to one of their campout/gathering/event things but several of our mutual friends did and did start to identify as wiccan afterward. But the reality is sort of like Christmas and Easter catholics just going on the holidays to ease their guilt for not going at all, our mutual friends were campout/event wiccan just going to the events so they could spend a weekend drinking with a large group of drunk sexually promiscuous strangers. One of our mutual friends (who generally couldn't get laid in a women's prison with a fist full of pardons) bragged to me how he bagged 4 different girls over 3 days at one their events. Yeah, fucking drunk unbathed strangers who likely have the herps (3/5 wiccan do I'm told) in a tent in the woods really isn't my kinda scene.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:27 am)*Deidre* Wrote: There are many Wiccans who believe in the supernatural and invoke it into their rituals. Their ideas differ, and supernatural doesn’t always equate to deities.

They say "gods" "deities", it's a just a term and say we can reach such status and they go by many names in cultures.  

But the fact, they won't reserve the word for highest love and valuing and reverence for the Creator, speaks volumes of their evil ways to me.

If there were more zombies and "Pet Cemeteries" I might pay more attention.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:07 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 1:28 am)*Deidre* Wrote: Wait, are you saying that this is all just a bunch of woo? >_>

Magic and gods are woo.  Religion and ritual otoh....not so much, beyond the fact that both cloth themselves in woo.

Mystic, wicca and neopaganism have absolutely nothing to do with your silly genie apocalypse.

I have no clue what you mean by “your genie apocalypse.”

(June 17, 2018 at 10:34 am)*Deidre* Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: Magic and gods are woo.  Religion and ritual otoh....not so much, beyond the fact that both cloth themselves in woo.

Mystic, wicca and neopaganism have absolutely nothing to do with your silly genie apocalypse.

I have no clue what you mean by “your genie apocalypse.”

The fight between good and evil, he means that and the role I put on the beings very much like the beings in this game:  http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods
And they are part of history whether we try to erase them from it or not.

You have a hilariously low bar for evil where others are concerned.  A bunch of nature worshipping pacifists, to your mind..are evil...whereas islamists who commit acts of terror are heroes.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: You have a hilariously low bar for evil where others are concerned.  A bunch of nature worshipping pacifists, to your mind..are evil...whereas islamists who commit acts of terror are heroes.

Whatever bro,  better then your society thinking nuking two cities and threatening a whole nation to surrender, is righteous. You guys are the height of evil in most people in the world eyes except you live in your little racist bubble and can't see it.

Well, that;s nice, but "my society" isn;t wiccan..so I can;t see how it matters in the comparison.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:26 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:15 am)Khemikal Wrote: You need to get a better book.

Whatever bro, keep your head in the sand. I'm sure you believe Jews were a majority of Palestine even before the war, despite all the evidence that's a historical lie made up by the west.... 

You can't handle the truth. You're too chicken.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: You have a hilariously low bar for evil where others are concerned.  A bunch of nature worshipping pacifists, to your mind..are evil...whereas islamists who commit acts of terror are heroes.

Yeah, this.  I have a hard time equating 'Wiccans' with 'evil doers'.  Hating Wiccans would be like kicking a puppy.

Boru