(June 26, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. Trump isn't just an American problem as Tariffs and Refugees have proven. 

I agree. It was the way you said you wanted to "win" that made me think I was wrong about your nationality.

Well to be fair if he loses we all kind of win 

(June 26, 2018 at 2:52 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 2:38 pm)johan Wrote: You're referring to the Colorado baker I'm assuming. Its my understanding that the baker won not because the SCOTUS thought the baker had a right to refuse service to the gay couple, but because they felt the baker didn't get a fair trial in the lower court. The baker deal might be what you were talking about and I could be wrong on my understanding of it, but if I'm right then I would say people are getting away with it in certain cases. Certain cases does not a new standard make IMO.

There have been a few instances. However, my point is that it is the public's opinion that this is what we're doing. It's a habit that is spreading, obviously.

I'm talking about my opinion, not the law. My opinion is if people are doing this, than anyone can do it. That doesn't mean it's my opinion that everyone should be doing it, either.

I see where you're coming from. The speed limit is 55 but everyone goes 65 therefore the speed limit posted on the sign is all but meaningless. Fair point.

But just because everyone gets away with going 10mph over the speed limit in some places doesn't mean you'll get away with it everywhere. And just because everyone got away with it on a certain road for years doesn't mean the cops can't crack down on that road next week and get everyone to slow down.

Certain things make it seem like society is going to hell in a hand basket but all is not lost IMO.

Red Hen Lex owner, Stephanie Wilkinson, resigned her position as executive director of Main Street Lexington amid controversy over her ejecting Sarah Huckabee Sanders from her restaurant. The Red Hen Lex remains closed until next week due to protests in front of the business.

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/lexin...-lexington

(June 26, 2018 at 7:39 pm)A Theist Wrote: Red Hen Lex owner, Stephanie Wilkinson, resigned her position as executive director of Main Street Lexington amid controversy over her ejecting Sarah Huckabee Sanders from her restaurant. The Red Hen Lex remains closed until next week due to protests in front of the business.

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/lexin...-lexington

Republicans, putting more people out of work and wondering why the unemployment rate is still low.  *smdh*

Quote:Red Hen Lex owner, Stephanie Wilkinson, resigned her position as executive director of Main Street Lexington amid controversy over her ejecting Sarah Huckabee Sanders from her restaurant. The Red Hen Lex remains closed until next week due to protests in front of the business.

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/lexin...-lexington

Big whoop

(June 26, 2018 at 3:12 pm)johan Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 2:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: There have been a few instances. However, my point is that it is the public's opinion that this is what we're doing. It's a habit that is spreading, obviously.

I'm talking about my opinion, not the law. My opinion is if people are doing this, than anyone can do it. That doesn't mean it's my opinion that everyone should be doing it, either.

I see where you're coming from. The speed limit is 55 but everyone goes 65 therefore the speed limit posted on the sign is all but meaningless. Fair point.

But just because everyone gets away with going 10mph over the speed limit in some places doesn't mean you'll get away with it everywhere. And just because everyone got away with it on a certain road for years doesn't mean the cops can't crack down on that road next week and get everyone to slow down.

Certain things make it seem like society is going to hell in a hand basket but all is not lost IMO.

Sure, but people are going to try to get away with it.

Ironically, in those situations where everyone is going over the speed limit, the cop is most likely only going to pull someone over to meet a quota. Who he chooses is random; just hope it's your lucky day when you're speeding along with everyone else.

(June 26, 2018 at 7:49 pm)Kit Wrote: Ironically, in those situations where everyone is going over the speed limit, the cop is most likely only going to pull someone over to meet a quota.  Who he chooses is random; just hope it's your lucky day when you're speeding along with everyone else.

It'll be the leader or trailer of the pack, I've seen it and been in it. Everybody slows down when the lights come on, but only one peop gets a ticket. Unless the staties are out in force. When I worked in Florida, I came over a rise on the Bee Line (goes between Orlando airport and Cape Canaveral) only to see about 10 state trooper vehicles having a field day, pulling people over. I was only going 10 over, so I didn't get pinched. That would have been '04-'05, but they can do it anytime. That stretch just east of Merritt Island is like a race course. Some people get up to 25+ over the limit, and present a real danger.

BoT, I personally think that the Red Hen employees went over the line following Sanders to another restaurant. I wouldn't piss in her mouth if it was fire, but a little restraint goes a long way. Overdoing it and losing a job is over the top.

I've seen a number of times here, and in another thread, references to protected classes.  My understanding is that some believe that it is ok to discriminate, as long as the person is not a part of this protected class.  This to me, appears little more than a technicality.  That if a person can not fit on the list, then it is ok to disrespect them, even though the reasoning, and the actions are very similar.  On the other hand, I would consider discrimination to have  a more moral underpinning. That the bigotry was wrong before there was a protected class, or a particular group was added to that list.  The "protected class" represents a larger moral principle.  How would you justify discrimination of one person, and so easily dismiss similar actions and sentiment towards another?  Or is it just a technical thing, and enforcing the law, where if you are not on the list, then it is perfectly all right to discriminate?  Many statements and actions particularly of the left lately seem hateful and hypocritical to me (although the right is not free from blame either).

(June 26, 2018 at 9:36 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I've seen a number of times here, and in another thread, references to protected classes.  My understanding is that some believe that it is ok to discriminate, as long as the person is not a part of this protected class.  This to me, appears little more than a technicality.  That if a person can not fit on the list, then it is ok to disrespect them, even though the reasoning, and the actions are very similar.  On the other hand, I would consider discrimination to have  a more moral underpinning. That the bigotry was wrong before there was a protected class, or a particular group was added to that list.  The "protected class" represents a larger moral principle.  How would you justify discrimination of one person, and so easily dismiss similar actions and sentiment towards another?  Or is it just a technical thing, and enforcing the law, where if you are not on the list, then it is perfectly all right to discriminate?  Many statements and actions particularly of the left lately seem hateful and hypocritical to me (although the right is not free from blame either).

I would contend that the reverse is true, and that the right does and has done it worse than the left for centuries, and in some cases, for millennia. Though they weren't called "the right" in those days; they were just called "men" in those days, with a heaping helping of religion. Women's and minority's rights (as well as LGBTQ rights) have only made some sort of headway in recent decades- women since the '20s, minorities since the '60s, and LGBTQ still in the works. Getting a law that allows other than white males to be treated as "equals"? You have to be kidding. It should have been that way all along. I think maybe a bit of understanding about the backlash would be in order, especially since the "right" assuming whites are still out there carrying torches like villagers in some novel by Mary Shelley. I wonder if there is an organization on the left that competes openly and ideologically against the KKK, for example?