(July 6, 2018 at 8:40 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 6, 2018 at 8:15 am)Rokie123 Wrote: Oh i dont mind if you make fun of fairy tales. But i wouldn't compare it to santa claus. It would be like me mocking your dead mother saying she is fairy tale now, to a believer it means more than just sky fairy. But i am not gonna be against the idea of criticism or satire, mockery, parodies those are important free speech elements.

And yes socialism is bad, not value wise but institution wise its on the level of neo fascism, neo nazism and communism which are all terrible system. Hate speech laws. What is hate speech? You are brown you can commit crimes because according to neo marxists its a never ending battle about the oppressed and oppressors even if the oppressed has bad ideas. So when pakitanis start a rape gang in United Kingdom, no problem you go ahead, and if the police gets called on it well you are a racist and you are more likely to be arrested for hate crime than police being held accountable. This would never happen in USA if this was a incident. So yeah, evil.

If anything i suggest the japanese model of Capitalism + neo liberalism like welfare, health care etc, never ever incorporate socialism into the system it sucks! And most gullible dumb atheists in USA and pussified european countries are advocating it. Also it is not smart to take in foreigners. Intergrate people here but by just letting us be a piggy back for rest of the world is like saying dont bother fixing your own countries or corrupt leaders, just send them over here. Which doesnt help us or their home countries.

So yeah socialism is just as bad as the other ideologies i mentioned

Don't pull your politically correct bullshit with me.

1. I am a liberal, but no, that DOES NOT give other liberals the right to hide behind political correctness. I will always value non violence and human rights, but that DOES NOT make everything you claim true deserving of no criticism.

2. My mother was real and I can prove she existed. FYI she died last year. Having said that, unlike my mother whom I can prove existed, there is ZERO evidence of any type of super natural being. So yea, I do challenge those claims in the same way one grows up and gives up on the idea of Santa.

I could give  shit less if you wanted to claim Vishnu was real, or Thor was real. I may like you as an individual, but that does not constitute universal unbias evidence. I owe my fellow human the dignity of non violence, but that does not mean I have to remain silent in the face of unfounded claims.

I am tired of this bullshit. Wanting livable wages for workers is not calling for the end of the private sector. Wanting affordable health care and education that doesn't break the bank, does not make me a Cuba or Stalin loving commie. 

I am for the policies that gave rise to our middle class after WW2. I am for the private sector, just not abuse of power. I am for freedom of religion, just not theocracies. I am anti monopoly, on all aspects of society. I view all issues and claims as case by case. 

I do not want a Cuba or Russia style government. But I also do not want the GOP/Libertarian "fuck you I got mine" "let the rich do what they want all the time". 

FYI, "capitalism" is not a form of government. China is an oppressive state that allows capitalism, which is why when someone shops at Walmart the majority of what they buy their is made by PRIVATE COMPANIES, made in CHINA. Fidel Castro had an estimated personal wealth of $800 MILLION. Gadaffi was a BILLIONAIRE whom owned stock in General Electric. 

ALSO, if you would do some research on Hitler and the Nazis, he did not end the private sector, he simply stole private business and gave it to party loyalists.

There is absolutely NO government, friend or foe alike, that does not partake in the global market. 

I am anti monopoly, pro worker, neither nanny state Communism, nor "no rules" "let the rich use us like objects". 

If you study economic history, the policies that caused the stock market crash in 1929 were "no rules". After WW2 the private sector still existed, and religion still existed. But, the focus shifted to regulations to create stability, not in order to stop business, but in order to prevent it from causing another global crash.

Your mistake in posting your crappy OP, is you ran into educated posters.

And what about the immigrants who wanna escape crappy countries with corrupt government. They are gonna see your piggy is full of money and opportunities. Are you gonna be a cuckold country like Europe and follow the neo marxist mentality. I honestly don't care about whatever you said now, i want to know that with socialism this crap is gonna happen. And the best way is to maybe not adopt socialism because then its gonna be just safe heaven for leechers and people who don't wanna fix their own countries in a nutshell. Its literally rewarding corrupt powers who sees this as an opportunity to send it over seas without fixing their own government.

I don't think your education system is gonna help once your country is sucked dried not to mention tribalism that foreigners also have with how they view religious culture like islam lack of humanism to mention a few with how western countries over the year had to fight for humanism and adapt christianity to work with it.

Btw i dont really mind if you wanna make a hobby of mocking fairy tales aslong as you dont promote sexual abusive environments or bad stuff. Like you can criticize immorale religious people all day long or whatever stuff, just like atheists who support cannibalism too are morons. But it would be bad to forget the big picture. Whic h i can assume to a socialist/neo nazi/neo facist or communist is just not gonna address right? Better not talk about it or platform those people, amirite?

(July 6, 2018 at 8:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: OP is a Hadith, and just like all Hadiths we don't know if Mohammed -peace be upon him- did say it, I highly doubt that he said this, but the Hadith is recorded in "Bukhari's Sahih".

Personally, I have many problems with it: first problem is that Muslims saw this devolution so many times, during the time of the Ummayads, during the Abassids, during the Ottomans (and we're now living the aftermath of the Ottoman decline), the black stone got robbed from the Ka'aba once , Jerusalem was taken once by the crusades, and more.

So as you can see, Muslims saw lots of disasters in the past. Actually, since the times of the prophet himself, nations from allover the world are fighting Islam (take the Eastern Romans, the Persians,...etc), the road was always bumpy and full of blood.

So this Hadith seems to me more of the words of a desperate man than the words of a prophet.

Atlass, I love you dude, but I promise nothing horrible will happen to you if you skip typing "PBUH".

(July 6, 2018 at 8:40 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 6, 2018 at 8:15 am)Rokie123 Wrote: you ran into educated posters.

I forgot that joke, reddit and fedoras.




not to mention
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair...-and-morty
https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comme...igh_iq_to/

Not sure if OP is Muslim or trying to make Muslims look bad.

Didn't anyone tell Brian not to feed the Trolls? Geeze.

Brian is nothing if not willing to enthusiastically engage any idea espoused by anyone ever.

(July 6, 2018 at 8:51 am)Rokie123 Wrote:

(July 6, 2018 at 8:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: Don't pull your politically correct bullshit with me.

1. I am a liberal, but no, that DOES NOT give other liberals the right to hide behind political correctness. I will always value non violence and human rights, but that DOES NOT make everything you claim true deserving of no criticism.

2. My mother was real and I can prove she existed. FYI she died last year. Having said that, unlike my mother whom I can prove existed, there is ZERO evidence of any type of super natural being. So yea, I do challenge those claims in the same way one grows up and gives up on the idea of Santa.

I could give  shit less if you wanted to claim Vishnu was real, or Thor was real. I may like you as an individual, but that does not constitute universal unbias evidence. I owe my fellow human the dignity of non violence, but that does not mean I have to remain silent in the face of unfounded claims.

I am tired of this bullshit. Wanting livable wages for workers is not calling for the end of the private sector. Wanting affordable health care and education that doesn't break the bank, does not make me a Cuba or Stalin loving commie. 

I am for the policies that gave rise to our middle class after WW2. I am for the private sector, just not abuse of power. I am for freedom of religion, just not theocracies. I am anti monopoly, on all aspects of society. I view all issues and claims as case by case. 

I do not want a Cuba or Russia style government. But I also do not want the GOP/Libertarian "fuck you I got mine" "let the rich do what they want all the time". 

FYI, "capitalism" is not a form of government. China is an oppressive state that allows capitalism, which is why when someone shops at Walmart the majority of what they buy their is made by PRIVATE COMPANIES, made in CHINA. Fidel Castro had an estimated personal wealth of $800 MILLION. Gadaffi was a BILLIONAIRE whom owned stock in General Electric. 

ALSO, if you would do some research on Hitler and the Nazis, he did not end the private sector, he simply stole private business and gave it to party loyalists.

There is absolutely NO government, friend or foe alike, that does not partake in the global market. 

I am anti monopoly, pro worker, neither nanny state Communism, nor "no rules" "let the rich use us like objects". 

If you study economic history, the policies that caused the stock market crash in 1929 were "no rules". After WW2 the private sector still existed, and religion still existed. But, the focus shifted to regulations to create stability, not in order to stop business, but in order to prevent it from causing another global crash.

Your mistake in posting your crappy OP, is you ran into educated posters.

And what about the immigrants who wanna escape crappy countries with corrupt government. They are gonna see your piggy is full of money and opportunities. Are you gonna be a cuckold country like Europe and follow the neo marxist mentality. I honestly don't care about whatever you said now, i want to know that with socialism this crap is gonna happen. And the best way is to maybe not adopt socialism because then its gonna be just safe heaven for leechers and people who don't wanna fix their own countries in a nutshell. Its literally rewarding corrupt powers who sees this as an opportunity to send it over seas without fixing their own government.

I don't think your education system is gonna help once your country is sucked dried not to mention tribalism that foreigners also have with how they view religious culture like islam lack of humanism to mention a few with how western countries over the year had to fight for humanism and adapt christianity to work with it.

Btw i dont really mind if you wanna make a hobby of mocking fairy tales aslong as you dont promote sexual abusive environments or bad stuff. Like you can criticize immorale religious people all day long or whatever stuff, just like atheists who support cannibalism too are morons. But it would be bad to forget the big picture. Whic h i can assume to a socialist/neo nazi/neo facist or communist is just not gonna address right? Better not talk about it or platform those people, amirite?

If President Shithole keeps fucking up the country, I'd be one of those trying to escape. If anyone is acting like a fascist, he is. He has vilified entire races and religions, attacked war heros, ignored and attacked his own intel and still does, on top of vilifying the free press. 

Yes, what about refugees whom are non violent not wanting to die in a war? What about migrants who are trying to escape famine and crime? I think those who are innocent and non violent deserve protection. I don't see how that makes me a communist whom loves dictators. Trump is the asshole who just called Un "honorable".

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(July 6, 2018 at 9:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Brian is nothing if not willing to enthusiastically engage any idea espoused by anyone ever.

Um no, don't confuse my multitasking as always making an argument just to have one. And don't confuse the amount I post either.

I don't give any label a pass when I think they got it wrong, including my fellow atheists. I have been consistent in always supporting human rights and non violence and I always will. 

I like Atlass and Catholic lady, but no, I do not agree that a god exists, or that they need one. I'd side with them on other issues if I agree, such as economic views when I find agreement. I'd side with Ann Frank before I would support Bibi. But that does not obligate me to agree that Yahweh exists.

Yes, I am passionate, no I will not apologize for that.

I was going to play mafia, but no...

On it.

(July 6, 2018 at 8:15 am)Rokie123 Wrote: Oh i dont mind if you make fun of fairy tales. But i wouldn't compare it to santa claus. It would be like me mocking your dead mother saying she is fairy tale now, to a believer it means more than just sky fairy. But i am not gonna be against the idea of criticism or satire, mockery, parodies those are important free speech elements.

And yes socialism is bad, not value wise but institution wise its on the level of neo fascism, neo nazism and communism which are all terrible system. Hate speech laws. What is hate speech? You are brown you can commit crimes because according to neo marxists its a never ending battle about the oppressed and oppressors even if the oppressed has bad ideas. So when pakitanis start a rape gang in United Kingdom, no problem you go ahead, and if the police gets called on it well you are a racist and you are more likely to be arrested for hate crime than police being held accountable. This would never happen in USA if this was a incident. So yeah, evil.

If anything i suggest the japanese model of Capitalism + neo liberalism like welfare, health care etc, never ever incorporate socialism into the system it sucks! And most gullible dumb atheists in USA and pussified european countries are advocating it. Also it is not smart to take in foreigners. Intergrate people here but by just letting us be a piggy back for rest of the world is like saying dont bother fixing your own countries or corrupt leaders, just send them over here. Which doesnt help us or their home countries.

So yeah socialism is just as bad as the other ideologies i mentioned

I live in a country where the best systems are the socialised systems. The NHS of example is the envy of the world and was founded on purely socialist ideas. It has copies in most modern countries with the obvious exception of the US with its rather antiquated health system that costs more and treats far less adding burdens of costs to the people who can pay the least.

What I think you need to do is learn what socialism actually is.

I think you may be an American and americans seem to not know. its down to years of propaganda and indoctrination that drums "socialism bad" into the gullible, so they wont try it so they'll work for the rich without complaint.


What is best is socialised health care and utilities with capitalism for shirts and the latest iPhone. I advocate for a mixed economy.

OP: What exactly would you like me to explain? How to type and speak correctly?