(July 16, 2018 at 1:27 am)Godscreated Wrote: The skeptics here and every where do not want the town of Nazareth to have existed during Christ time, it would move them one step closer to looking for the truth. It was recorded in a 1st century writing, so yes it was there.

GC

All you need is evidence, G-C.  Your wishes count for shit.

(July 17, 2018 at 4:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 16, 2018 at 1:27 am)Godscreated Wrote: The skeptics here and every where do not want the town of Nazareth to have existed during Christ time, it would move them one step closer to looking for the truth. It was recorded in a 1st century writing, so yes it was there.

GC

All you need is evidence, G-C.  Your wishes count for shit.

The originals were written in the first century AD, the copies come from the second century on.

GC

Yeah.... so some of you guys say.   Of course, the earliest copies we have are from the late 2d-3d centuries and the earliest xtian writers we know of never heard of them.  Maybe they were testing your fucking faith, huh?

Nonetheless, no one heard of any of them until the late 2d century.

Now, Justin, writing c 160 speaks of something called the Memoirs of the Apostles.... except what he writes does not match up to any of the nonsense we have today.  So, either no one had finished editing them or the stories were not fully fleshed out or Justin was a complete asshole.  Tell me which you prefer.

(July 17, 2018 at 10:33 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(July 16, 2018 at 1:27 am)Godscreated Wrote: The skeptics here and every where do not want the town of Nazareth to have existed during Christ time, it would move them one step closer to looking for the truth. It was recorded in a 1st century writing, so yes it was there.

GC

Just like the Shire recorded in The Lord of the Rings.  It must exist because it is written about.

Remember the Bible is from God through man not through man to God.

GC

(July 18, 2018 at 12:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah.... so some of you guys say.   Of course, the earliest copies we have are from the late 2d-3d centuries and the earliest xtian writers we know of never heard of them.  Maybe they were testing your fucking faith, huh?

Nonetheless, no one heard of any of them until the late 2d century.

Now, Justin, writing c 160 speaks of something called the Memoirs of the Apostles.... except what he writes does not match up to any of the nonsense we have today.  So, either no one had finished editing them or the stories were not fully fleshed out or Justin was a complete asshole.  Tell me which you prefer.

There's another possibility that they simply weren't that widely in circulation yet.

(July 18, 2018 at 2:02 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 17, 2018 at 10:33 am)Whateverist Wrote: Just like the Shire recorded in The Lord of the Rings.  It must exist because it is written about.

Remember the Bible is from God through man not through man to God.

GC

And recall God can deceive whom He chooses:

2 Thessalonians 2   (KJV)
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Chronicles 18  (KJV)
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

1 Kings 22  (KJV)
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jeremiah 20  (KJV)
7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Ezekiel 14 (KJV)
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

(July 18, 2018 at 8:29 am)JairCrawford Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 12:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah.... so some of you guys say.   Of course, the earliest copies we have are from the late 2d-3d centuries and the earliest xtian writers we know of never heard of them.  Maybe they were testing your fucking faith, huh?

Nonetheless, no one heard of any of them until the late 2d century.

Now, Justin, writing c 160 speaks of something called the Memoirs of the Apostles.... except what he writes does not match up to any of the nonsense we have today.  So, either no one had finished editing them or the stories were not fully fleshed out or Justin was a complete asshole.  Tell me which you prefer.

There's another possibility that they simply weren't that widely in circulation yet.

You also have earlier writers that do quote the scriptures quite a bit. Justin does some, but not nearly as much. Which I think has to do with his style and purpose.

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Bart Ehrman has a pretty good write up on his blog. https://ehrmanblog.org/did-nazareth-exist/

He seems puzzled with how much the question of Nazareth comes up. But he gives a pretty good critic of one “skeptics” objections. As well as explaining the evidence and why for most archeologist this is not a question.

Quote:The AP story concludes that “the dwelling and older discoveries of nearby tombs in burial caves suggest that Nazareth was an out-of the-way hamlet of around 50 houses on a patch of about four acres… populated by Jews of modest means.” No wonder this place is never mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, Josephus, or the Talmud. It was far too small, poor, and insignificant. Most people had never heard of it and those who had heard didn’t care. Even though it existed, this is not the place someone would make up as the hometown of the messiah. Jesus really came from there, as attested in multiple sources.

(July 16, 2018 at 1:27 am)Godscreated Wrote: The skeptics here and every where do not want the town of Nazareth to have existed during Christ time, it would move them one step closer to looking for the truth. It was recorded in a 1st century writing, so yes it was there.

GC

Funny how we're skeptical of just the things that have little evidence. If Nazareth is ever confirmed to be a community that the proposed Jesus of history could have lived in, there are a host of other problems with the story (the slaughter of the innocents being one of the biggest). It's no skin off my nose if Nazareth is real, if archaeology confirms it, I'll happily turn my hat to the 'Nazareth was real then' side. And that's EVEN if you're right about my motive being to deny Jesus. Your claims about other people's motives is one of the main things that makes you an asshat, btw.

(July 18, 2018 at 8:29 am)JairCrawford Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 12:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah.... so some of you guys say.   Of course, the earliest copies we have are from the late 2d-3d centuries and the earliest xtian writers we know of never heard of them.  Maybe they were testing your fucking faith, huh?

Nonetheless, no one heard of any of them until the late 2d century.

Now, Justin, writing c 160 speaks of something called the Memoirs of the Apostles.... except what he writes does not match up to any of the nonsense we have today.  So, either no one had finished editing them or the stories were not fully fleshed out or Justin was a complete asshole.  Tell me which you prefer.

There's another possibility that they simply weren't that widely in circulation yet.

We have no indication that they were circulated at all until much later on.  Remember, there was no "church," per se.  The evidence suggests scattered groups with widely varying tales on this "christ" character.  (No one outside of xtian circles ever heard of any "jesus" before the late 2d century, and curiously when Pliny tortured xtians they told him about Christ - not Jesus.  Pliny died in 112 AD so we can be certain as late as 112 that jesus had not been invented.)

(July 18, 2018 at 11:02 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(July 16, 2018 at 1:27 am)Godscreated Wrote: The skeptics here and every where do not want the town of Nazareth to have existed during Christ time, it would move them one step closer to looking for the truth. It was recorded in a 1st century writing, so yes it was there.

GC

Funny how we're skeptical of just the things that have little evidence. If Nazareth is ever confirmed to be a community that the proposed Jesus of history could have lived in, there are a host of other problems with the story (the slaughter of the innocents being one of the biggest). It's no skin off my nose if Nazareth is real, if archaeology confirms it, I'll happily turn my hat to the 'Nazareth was real then' side. And that's EVEN if you're right about my motive being to deny Jesus. Your claims about other people's motives is one of the main things that makes you an asshat, btw.

 I do not have to claim others motives they make it quite clear on this forum every day, so your assumption about me is entirely wrong. If you are speaking of those male children that were killed by Herod then you need to back up and take a look at that atheist man, He wasn't a believer just a pretender to satisfy Rome, no more no less. That was a atheist decision because He was scared of being dethroned, if He believed in God he would have known it wouldn't matter what he did God's will would prevail, as it did.

 GC

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(July 18, 2018 at 8:40 am)vorlon13 Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 2:02 am)Godscreated Wrote: Remember the Bible is from God through man not through man to God.

GC

And recall God can deceive whom He chooses:

2 Thessalonians 2   (KJV)
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Chronicles 18  (KJV)
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

1 Kings 22  (KJV)
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jeremiah 20  (KJV)
7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Ezekiel 14   (KJV)
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

 I have no idea how you see those verses applying to what I posted, seems petty to me because you have no understanding of the scriptures, you just google and post. Two of those verses are from the same story.

GC