(September 22, 2018 at 4:25 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: This is NOT a criminal court of law; there are different standards of evidence for different courts in the United States and elsewhere throughout the (free) World.

Yep, it's a Senate thing only. Yet, you guys are acting as if the Senate should do whatever you say.

That's part of representative government, at least to an extent.  We are not asking for any Senate rules and/or laws to be broken here.

(September 22, 2018 at 9:33 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 9:30 am)alpha male Wrote: Yep, it's not like Jehanne would accept it if he passed a lie detector.

Then, answer my question -- If he admitted to Ford's accusations, would you continue to support him as a SCOTUS nominee?

Yes. Because he would have been a minor. IMO it is unethical to hold adults accountable for their entire lives because of juvenile crimes. Do you agree or not? Do you feel crimes committed when someone was a minor should punish them for the rest of their lives and prevent them from achieving as much as they possibly could as adults?

"Requesting an investigation into the incident isn’t a big ask. Unless they just want her to go away. Which is, by the way, one reason that women are scared to speak up."

— Patti Davis, in an article about her sexual assault and how it took decades for her to talk about it.

It seems to me, that they are investigating the matter. They have delayed a number of times to try to accommodated Dr. Ford, and to hear her out. She has made some pretty unreasonable demands. And if she doesn’t want to testify to the committee, then heir is little more to be done.

Quote:That's an incredibly stupid comment.

I take it that means that A/M is one of the heroes calling in the death threats. 

I see where that useless shit Pence is announcing that Kavanaugh will interpret the constitution "as written."  I guess that means he'll uphold slavery and deny women the right to vote among other rights.

My goodness, conservatards make me fucking sick.

(September 22, 2018 at 9:37 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 9:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: Then, answer my question -- If he admitted to Ford's accusations, would you continue to support him as a SCOTUS nominee?

Yes. Because he would have been a minor. IMO it is unethical to hold adults accountable for their entire lives because of juvenile crimes. Do you agree or not? Do you feel crimes committed when someone was a minor should punish them for the rest of their lives and prevent them from achieving as much as they possibly could as adults?

He could have been tried as an adult for his crimes, and so, yes, if true, I think that his behavior disqualifies him from being an associate SCOTUS judge.

(September 22, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 4:25 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yep, it's a Senate thing only. Yet, you guys are acting as if the Senate should do whatever you say.

That's part of representative government, at least to an extent.  We are not asking for any Senate rules and/or laws to be broken here.

Actually, yes, you're asking for investigation into a matter that should properly have been put forth before the scheduled hearings so that it could be considered in due course.

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(September 22, 2018 at 9:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Requesting an investigation into the incident isn’t a big ask. Unless they just want her to go away. Which is, by the way, one reason that women are scared to speak up."

— Patti Davis, in an article about her sexual assault and how it took decades for her to talk about it.

They're willing to investigate it. She, however, said she's not showing up.

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(September 22, 2018 at 9:37 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 9:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: Then, answer my question -- If he admitted to Ford's accusations, would you continue to support him as a SCOTUS nominee?

Yes. Because he would have been a minor. IMO it is unethical to hold adults accountable for their entire lives because of juvenile crimes. Do you agree or not? Do you feel crimes committed when someone was a minor should punish them for the rest of their lives and prevent them from achieving as much as they possibly could as adults?

Note that the question isn't phrased as whether he admitted such initially. At this point, an admission would mean his earlier denial was a lie.

(September 23, 2018 at 9:13 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 9:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Requesting an investigation into the incident isn’t a big ask. Unless they just want her to go away. Which is, by the way, one reason that women are scared to speak up."

— Patti Davis, in an article about her sexual assault and how it took decades for her to talk about it.

They're willing to investigate it. She, however, said she's not showing up.

Are they going to subpoena Judge to testify? Since when is a supposed eyewitness' testimony not relevant? That's not an investigation. That's a sham, designed solely to frame the issue as he-said / she-said, but that narrative has been created by the procedural maneuvers of Grassley and Republicans. And you and Neo have the gall to accuse the Democrats of manipulating the nominations when you ignore Republican manipulation going on right under your nose.

I like how "innocent until proven guilty' is only true for white rich people. Black men though? Guilty until proven innocent, and event hen they'll dig up whatever they can to make them look bad. Including 8 grams of marijuana. Funny how that works.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/...index.html

The last person supposedly at the party - a female friend of Ford - says she never met Kavanaugh, and the party never happened.

Quote:CNN has learned that the committee has reached out to a longtime friend of Ford named Leland Ingham Keyser.

"I understand that you have been identified as an individual who was in attendance at a party that occurred circa 1982 described in a recent Washington Post article," a committee staffer wrote Keyser earlier this week.

On Saturday night, her lawyer, Howard Walsh, released a statement to CNN and the Senate Judiciary Committee.
"Simply put," Walsh said, "Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford."

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(September 23, 2018 at 10:37 am)Divinity Wrote: I like how "innocent until proven guilty' is only true for white rich people.  Black men though?  Guilty until proven innocent, and event hen they'll dig up whatever they can to make them look bad.  Including 8 grams of marijuana.  Funny how that works.

The most analogous black man would be Clarence Thomas, and in that case it was the same - Dems were out to get him, Reps considered him innocent until proven guilty.

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So, Ford named 4 people who were at the party. All 4 deny there was such a party. Can we end this now?