(September 27, 2018 at 9:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: What you need Kit is some knowledge before you come down with these defective beliefs.
There are tons and tons of information on the net.
Go and get this knowledge so after we can talk about it.  

https://healingearth.info/consciousness-...ciousness/

You and Trump must have the same laughable definition of knowledge.

(September 27, 2018 at 10:03 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 27, 2018 at 9:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: What you need Kit is some knowledge before you come down with these defective beliefs.
There are tons and tons of information on the net.
Go and get this knowledge so after we can talk about it.  

https://healingearth.info/consciousness-...ciousness/

You and Trump must have the same laughable definition of knowledge.

I'm not the one who say that........the universe pop up as per magic and nobody run it.
Most atheists believe that.  

(September 27, 2018 at 10:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: I'm not the one who say that........the universe pop up as per magic and nobody run it.
Most atheists are.  

There's a difference between providing an answer void of knowledge such as "god" or "higher being" or "super consciousness" and then realizing that simply stating one does not currently have an answer to the bigger questions is the smartest way to live.

(September 27, 2018 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Why on earth science should say that vibration are alive?

I'm not aware that it does.

Quote:Obviously everything is alive in this universe.
Even matter that doesn't show any life to the naked eye is full of energy.
Being energy-consciousness the two sides of the same sheet that means that everything carry some form of consciousness.

Consciousness requires energy but that doesn't make them equivalent.

Quote:Consciousness is something alive so everything is alive.
Nothing is dead.

Things that are alive may have consciousness but "consciousness" is not itself alive.

Quote:Even Einstein said that matter is energy and where there is energy there is consciousness at different level of awareness.

Citation required.

(September 22, 2018 at 9:45 am)Little Rik Wrote: Atheists in general rely on science but science contradict them almost at every step especially when it say that something must come from something else so the universe must come from something yet most atheists deny that the universe must come from a creator.

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Who else then?
Father Christmas?

Isn't this bizarre?    

Do they fully believe in science or they only believe in part usually when it meet their agenda?  

Science also doesn't say that with the physical death we (our consciousness or our I) die as well yet atheists think otherwise.
And when science ever said that the consciousness is a product of the brain?

Each and every belief that atheists carry in their mind doesn't find any evidence in science yet most atheists glorify science as the royal jelly of knowledge.

Why?

WHY?    

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Who or what created the creator?

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If your answer is that the creator always existed, then why not the universe always existing? What's so special about this creator that can't be applied to its creation?

This means that saying the creator always existed, but not the universe, is Special Pleading. A logical fallacy I'm sure you've encountered many times in your postings.

(September 27, 2018 at 9:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: I have already gone several times through the fact that as far as the body is alive the consciousness is there with the body-brain.
That doesn't mean that once the body die also the consciousness goes to the dogs.
Would you die when your vehicle die?

Why should you?
The body is a vehicle not the real you.
Would you say that your car is you?

That is one of the most ridiculous analogies I've ever heard.  Any property that is dependent on functioning hardware is going to cease when the hardware fails.  A better analogy would be a program running on a computer.  When the computer shuts down the program stops, it doesn't float off to run on some supernatural CPU in the sky.

Quote:Evidence come only once you get knowledge.
And knowledge is not something that come easily.
First you got to be interested in something.
After that you got to learn and learn.

You are saying that to acquire knowledge you must examine the evidence.  I agree with that.  The evidence must come first.

Quote:Atheism is not the best way to start something as important as the real knowledge.
That kind of knowledge that goes outside the borders of physicality.  

Word salad does not convey anything useful.

(September 27, 2018 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Why on earth science should say that vibration are alive?

So wait. Are you retracting your claim that science supports your belief that vibrations are alive? If so, then it's nothing but dogma, and my point still stands. Science no more supports your beliefs than it does ours, on that evidence alone, making you, as stated, a hypocrite.

(September 27, 2018 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Obviously everything is alive in this universe.

Yes, according to the very scientific bar of "obviously."

(September 27, 2018 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Even matter that doesn't show any life to the naked eye is full of energy.
Being energy-consciousness the two sides of the same sheet that means that everything carry some form of consciousness.
Consciousness is something alive so everything is alive.
Nothing is dead.
The creator doesn't create something dead but even if you do not believe in a creator it wouldn't make any difference.
Even Einstein said that matter is energy and where there is energy there is consciousness at different level of awareness.

Einstein may have said that matter is energy. He did not say that where there is energy there is consciousness. That's Ananda Marga dogma, not Einstein. So, no, you still don't have any science that supports your claim that vibrations are alive. It comes back, as it always does, to your religious dogma, and nothing else.

Provide scientific evidence that vibrations are alive or concede that science no more supports you than it does atheists, even in the absence of any evidence for atheist beliefs.

(September 27, 2018 at 10:12 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 27, 2018 at 10:03 am)Kit Wrote: You and Trump must have the same laughable definition of knowledge.

I'm not the one who say that........the universe pop up as per magic and nobody run it.
Most atheists believe that.  

That is a strawman characterization; it is the theists that typically hold that the universe was created by magic.  Atheists generally have enough integrity to say that we do not know how the universe came to be as we see it.  We don't pretend to have answers just so we can assuage the discomfort of not knowing.

(September 27, 2018 at 10:24 am)Sal Wrote:

(September 22, 2018 at 9:45 am)Little Rik Wrote: Atheists in general rely on science but science contradict them almost at every step especially when it say that something must come from something else so the universe must come from something yet most atheists deny that the universe must come from a creator.

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Who else then?
Father Christmas?

Isn't this bizarre?    

Do they fully believe in science or they only believe in part usually when it meet their agenda?  

Science also doesn't say that with the physical death we (our consciousness or our I) die as well yet atheists think otherwise.
And when science ever said that the consciousness is a product of the brain?

Each and every belief that atheists carry in their mind doesn't find any evidence in science yet most atheists glorify science as the royal jelly of knowledge.

Why?

WHY?    

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Who or what created the creator?

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If your answer is that the creator always existed, then why not the universe always existing? What's so special about this creator that can't be applied to its creation?

This means that saying the creator always existed, but not the universe, is Special Pleading. A logical fallacy I'm sure you've encountered many times in your postings.

One exciting thing in life is that mysteries are something that produce excitement and desire to know and God's creation must be the most important mystery to me at least.
My policy is that I learn step by step and always stay open with my mind to everything that make sense.
I am not interested in speculations how, when, where if ever God always existed or whether it started to existed at one stage in time beside time doesn't even exist in reality.
Time exist in this material reality in order to see the distance that goes from small consciousness to big consciousness.
As soon as the consciousness reach the high of human emancipation then all mysteries will be known.
In the meantime all it should be done is to learn and learn which is something that doesn't apply to anyone who put a brake to all possibilities.  

(September 27, 2018 at 11:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: One exciting thing in life is that mysteries are something that produce excitement and desire to know and God's creation must be the most important mystery to me at least.

See, that's your problem.

Mysteries are fine so long as one is actively attempting to solve them. Simply providing an out of thin air answer like "god" is not solving anything.