(October 2, 2018 at 1:46 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 1:43 pm)alpha male Wrote: Maybe they'll grill her on how she got home, and obtain her therapist's notes which she says support her but didn't actually produce for the committee.

Lets wait for the investigation shall we.

Gee I wonder why women are not keen to come forward after assaults.

An investigation is just gathering data.   That would be relevant information that is lacking.

And yes, if you don't want the facts of the case investigated, then one's best option may be to keep it to yourself.   That is a choice one must make when bring charges against another.  If you don't want a fair and non-partisan investigation however; then I say we stop and move forward.

(October 2, 2018 at 1:54 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 1:46 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Lets wait for the investigation shall we.

Gee I wonder why women are not keen to come forward after assaults.

An investigation is just gathering data.   That would be relevant information that is lacking.

And yes, if you don't want the facts of the case investigated, then one's best option may be to  keep it to yourself.   That is a choice one must make when bring charges against another.  If you don't want a fair and non-partisan investigation however; then I say we stop and move forward.

Or maybe its because often victims are not believed or blamed. You can see this all writ large in this case.

Republicans. They aren't the best they are rapists, some, I assume are good people.

(October 2, 2018 at 2:01 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 1:54 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: An investigation is just gathering data.   That would be relevant information that is lacking.

And yes, if you don't want the facts of the case investigated, then one's best option may be to  keep it to yourself.   That is a choice one must make when bring charges against another.  If you don't want a fair and non-partisan investigation however; then I say we stop and move forward.

Or maybe its because often victims are not believed or blamed. You can see this all writ large in this case.

Questioning and investigating is not victim blaming.  It's not even saying that it is not believed or untrue.   It's also not saying that Kavenaughs claims are untrue either.   There just isn't enough information to form a rational opinion and especially not for the lynch mob mentality that is being seen.

I don't think that special pleading in these cases is justified to dispense with the principles of innocent until proven guilty and due process.  I don't see that it is unreasonable for ask for a reason to believe one persons claims over another.

It's amusing the inconstancy seen here, vs discussion's about witness testimony (when people think we are talking about God).    There's no lists of issues with testimony or memory.   It appears that it is being demanded that it be believed against evidence and mostly based on feelings.  Quite the contrast.

(October 2, 2018 at 2:01 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 1:54 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: An investigation is just gathering data.   That would be relevant information that is lacking.

And yes, if you don't want the facts of the case investigated, then one's best option may be to  keep it to yourself.   That is a choice one must make when bring charges against another.  If you don't want a fair and non-partisan investigation however; then I say we stop and move forward.

Or maybe its because often victims are not believed or blamed. You can see this all writ large in this case.

Republicans. They aren't the best they are rapists, some, I assume are good people.

Yup victim blaming the Republican specialty

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(October 2, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

The Republican position on sexual assault in one picture .

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Quote:Or that's what researchers want to believe:

How Social Science Might Be Misunderstanding Conservatives

Anti science conspiracy idiot icy your researched just fine . But like always when science exposes you and you make excuses

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Quote:Maybe they'll grill her on how she got home, and obtain her therapist's notes which she says support her but didn't actually produce for the committee.

And when they do and she does both you will invent another bullshit criteria she will pass and so on and so on .

(October 2, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

The Republican position on sexual assault in one picture .

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Pic is pretty consistent with what i hear about current mindset of rep politicians (like Graham ) under Trump: Extremely agressive but at the same time extremely oblivious to what the victim may do with what options it has left.

If i was them (reps) i would be more concerned about her remaining hand. 

(October 2, 2018 at 3:59 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(October 2, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: The Republican position on sexual assault in one picture .

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Pic is pretty consistent with what i hear about current mindset of rep politicians (like Graham  ) under Trump: Extremely agressive but  at the same time extremely oblivious to what the victim may do with what options it has left.

If i was them (reps) i would be more concerned about her remaining hand. 

Indeed 

(October 2, 2018 at 6:28 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 1, 2018 at 6:09 pm)Joods Wrote: Funny thing is - I posted correct examples of these in this thread and it went on ignored by AM and his Trump supporters. Why? Because they knew Kavanaugh was clearly lying about those terms and they didn't have the balls to admit as much.

No, because I don't care about extraneous issues, whether for Kavanaugh or Ford.

You should care. It goes to credibility. He outright lied about his drinking as well, but feel free to keep ignoring that point despite people coming forward and speaking out against what he said. He grossly misrepresented the meanings of those words. A person seeking a lifetime appointment on the highest judicial bench in this country shouldn't be grossly misrepresenting definitions or meanings of words because many times, what brings litigants to court is how each side interprets the meaning of our laws. If he can't be honest about what these two things meant, then we, as a country, cannot trust his judgment while sitting on the bench. So this isn't some extraneous issue. It's a very big deal. And you should take it seriously. 

AM Wrote:Ford lied that she couldn't testify on Monday due to a fear of flying. Ford lied in calling herself a psychologist. That's a licensed profession in CA, she's not licensed, and it's illegal for an unlicensed person to call themselves that. I haven't mentioned these because they have nothing to do with the alleged assault.

That's bullshit. Call the Universities listed below if you feel she lied.  And you just did mention it. Clearly to help make your point.

Quote:Ford holds a doctorate in psychology from the University of Southern California, which she received on 20 August 1996. She also earned two master’s degrees: one in 1991 from Pepperdine University in clinical psychology, and the other in 2009 from Stanford University School of Medicine in epidemiology. Aside from her research role at Stanford, she is a professor of psychology at Palo Alto University.

AM Wrote:So, if your standard is that once a person is caught in a lie, we can't trust anything they say - fine, Ford can't be trusted about the assault.

Why? Because of her statement about not being able to fly? That has fuck all to do with assault.

AM Wrote:Personally I'm concerned with the inconsistencies in the time when the assault allegedly happened, or the number of people there. Those are the lies that matter.

Key point: SHE isn't seeking a lifetime appointment as a SCOTUS judge. HE IS. You still defend Kavanaugh no matter what. Other people are coming out and verifying that he was a heavy drinking and could not remember events. He even got into a fight in 1985, for which there was a police report. Sorry but anyone who has gone out of their way to hide these facts, does not deserve to hold a lifetime appointment to any judicial seat. Even if he didn't do anything to Dr. Ford - the fact that he has been intentionally dishonest about his drinking, disqualifies him from that appointment because he damaged his own credibility. And that is a lie that matters.

Fear of flying means you are afraid of it, that it's hard, that it bothers you when you do it. It doesn't mean you can't. She probably had to get her mental shit together to fly, particularly considering what she was in the process of going through, and what she was just about to put herself through. It's not a lie to say, I need a few days to put myself together and the fear of flying is just too much on top of everything else to do it this very instant.

Empathy, try and use it to feel what someone else is feeling, and stop repeating the stuff you heard other people say. Sometimes it's like an echo chamber of Fox News.

Also, mistakes aren't lies. Intent matters with a lie. Kavanaugh lied.

I have a fear of heights. But I'll still get on a ladder if I have to. Doesn't make me a liar to say that either, but of course, AM will spin shit however he can so that he can sleep better at night.