(November 3, 2018 at 11:31 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why bother, LR?  It’s not like you actually care about what other people have to say.

How insensitive and just plane wrong.  Little Dik cares very much what we have to say because it gives him something to disparage and a way to set himself apart as superior if only in his own mind.

Sorry to call you out like this. m'lady.  We're usually so simpatico.  Lets never fight again!

(November 3, 2018 at 11:32 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(November 3, 2018 at 11:28 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Wrong as usual.

Ohpppssss..........you forgot to add..........especially with Christians and Muslim which are so sure that hell exist.....


Double wrong as usual.

You're a fucking moron.

The word especially modifies your initial request but does not negate it. You asked for a discussion of whether hell exists or does not exist, adding that you would find the arguments of those who think it exists more valuable than that of those who think it does not exist. So, no, you're still wrong as usual. Additionally, a discussion about whether hell exists would be rather lame if it excluded views against its existence. And finally, attempting to limit thread participation is a violation of the rules of this forum. So you're triply wrong.

It may be worthwhile to define something before debating whether it exists, Rik. What precisely do you mean by the term ‘hell’?

Boru

(November 3, 2018 at 10:28 am)Little Rik Wrote: Here I would like to start a discussion whether hell exist or not especially with Christians and Muslim which are so sure that hell exist.
Of course anybody who would like to intervene in the thread is welcome.
MK however would be the special guest.  

None, just like there is no heaven. Not a hard question to answer. There are simply human beings who buy into old mythology.

(November 3, 2018 at 11:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It may be worthwhile to define something before debating whether it exists, Rik. What precisely do you mean by the term ‘hell’?

Boru

According to Christians such as Drich, hell consists solely in separation from God. This follows logically from Augustine's conception that evil is the privation of good, and good stems from God and his existence. If I understand your beliefs, Little Rik, the only thing separating us from God is something akin to ignorance, as similarly in the Buddhist conception of samsara. So I guess as a skeptic of hell, Little Rik, your task is to show that the Christian God does not exist.

The ball is in your court.

Hell is nothing more than a theological construct invented for the purpose of controlling the faithful through fear. It gives the clergy power over their flocks and relieves them of a lot of the burden of proving their absurd religious claims.

(November 3, 2018 at 12:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 3, 2018 at 11:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It may be worthwhile to define something before debating whether it exists, Rik. What precisely do you mean by the term ‘hell’?

Boru

According to Christians such as Drich, hell consists solely in separation from God.  This follows logically from Augustine's conception that evil is the privation of good, and good stems from God and his existence.  If I understand your beliefs, Little Rik, the only thing separating us from God is something akin to ignorance, as similarly in the Buddhist conception of samsara.  So I guess as a skeptic of hell, Little Rik, your task is to show that the Christian God does not exist.

The ball is in your court.  

Well, I know YOU knew it, Jorg.  I was just trying to determine exactly what it is that Rik is trying to debate.

Boru

Yes, it exists. It's known as rap.

(November 3, 2018 at 11:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: ...and also time to grow up for people who believe that the universe pop up as per magic.

Only theists believe the "universe pop up as per magic". (IE... "God" spoke the universe into existence)
The rest of us.... not so much.

The thought of an intelligent, or even supreme being, condemning sentient beings to eternal torture for something we have no control over (ei. whether we hold atheism/christianity/islam, to be true) is beneath contempt. /thread.