(January 13, 2019 at 8:57 pm)Angelina Wrote: Life and self-awareness and pleasure and pain are sufficient enough evidence for God. Everything else God put on this planet for us are just millions of examples of additional evidence.

This is a circular argument.

"My god exists, therefore, everything that exists is created by my god".

Things that exist, including life and self awareness, are only evidence for life and self awareness, and other things, existing. The cause of those things, like a god, has to be demonstrated.

(January 13, 2019 at 8:57 pm)Angelina Wrote: That is correct if they are claimed to have happened without a source. What we as Christians call miracles are simply things that we as humans with are limited brains do not yet have the capacity to understand.

What things, and do you claim miracle for anything you don't understand, what does it have to do to be classed as a miracle ?

Quote:They all have a perfectly logical explanations that are understood by the all-knowing God who is responsible for causing them to occur.

How do you know a god is causing them to occur when..

1) You have no proof of a god
2) You cannot differentiate between something you don't understand, and something you don't understand which you call a miracle.

Quote:Life and self-awareness and pleasure and pain are sufficient enough evidence for God.

In what way ?

Quote:Everything else God put on this planet for us are just millions of examples of additional evidence.

I will just ask for say 10 examples out of the millions which point to a god only , how's that suits you ?

You can't just declare 'god' which is what you are doing, i asked you a question in an earlier post. How is god (how come god exists rather than does not exist) and what is it's reason for being ?

Maybe try answering questions instead of just hand waving away the perfectly reasonable answers you have been given, which at least we can test, use for predictions and observe. Saying you don't know is a perfectly reasonable answer by the way, but simply asserting a powerful being is not unless you have proof above and beyond what you are claiming this being did.

Let me try it this way.

I have a cardboard box that is 1 cubic meter = 1m x 1m x 1m
It is completely sealed up and the contents are unknown,

I am making the claim that an IMP is inside the box.
I believe an IMP exists inside the box. I believe this to be true.

What evidence do I have to hold such a belief ?

My answer "Just look at that tree. That tree is my evidence. That tree cannot exist if an IMP is not inside the box. I could not exist if an IMP is not inside the box. All of my thoughts and consciousness itself are evidence of an IMP inside the box."

Does my answer sound rational ? Or does it sound irrational ?

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 8:19 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Of course you are going to pick every nit you think you find. Face it, you have spent the last few pages pretending to not understand the biblical flood. That is next level dishonesty.

Of course, lying for jebus is de riguer for you and your ilk. Be warned. This is not our first rodeo.

Have you always been such a crybaby?

No. Have your pathetic beliefs always been so fragile that they cannot withstand scrutiny?

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you can't engage the material logically,

Logic? You have yet to use any.

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: then don't waste my time. 

Why? You seem perfectly content to waste your time all of your lonesome posting your superstitious drivel. You might as well be posting astrology for all the sense it makes.

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   Not interested in conversations with people who add no value and just want to pick fights. 

What value have you added? Spooky beardy bloke in the sky does spooky stuff. That is the extent of your contributions

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Which is all you constantly do.

Except that it isn't. The reality is that you are a Poe and are now running on empty. You have nothing else in the locker but hurling insults.

This thread is for YOU to post evidence for your god. So far you have none.

(January 13, 2019 at 11:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Have you always been such a crybaby?

No. Have your pathetic beliefs always been so fragile that they cannot withstand scrutiny?

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you can't engage the material logically,

Logic? You have yet to use any.

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: then don't waste my time. 

Why? You seem perfectly content to waste your time all of your lonesome posting your superstitious drivel. You might as well be posting astrology for all the sense it makes.

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   Not interested in conversations with people who add no value and just want to pick fights. 

What value have you added? Spooky beardy bloke in the sky does spooky stuff. That is the extent of your contributions

(January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Which is all you constantly do.

Except that it isn't. The reality is that you are a Poe and are now running on empty. You have nothing else in the locker but hurling insults.

This thread is for YOU to post evidence for your god. So far you have none.

Scrutiny doesn't bother me.  It's lemmings insisting I should become a lemming too.  We don't have to agree, and I don't mind "friendly scrutiny" but when it goes to people insisting that I must agree with you or stating I have no intellect, or other nasty remarks, then it's made personal.  That's not "science", and that's not "logic."

(January 14, 2019 at 12:03 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 11:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: No. Have your pathetic beliefs always been so fragile that they cannot withstand scrutiny?

Logic? You have yet to use any.

Why? You seem perfectly content to waste your time all of your lonesome posting your superstitious drivel. You might as well be posting astrology for all the sense it makes.

What value have you added? Spooky beardy bloke in the sky does spooky stuff. That is the extent of your contributions

Except that it isn't. The reality is that you are a Poe and are now running on empty. You have nothing else in the locker but hurling insults.

This thread is for YOU to post evidence for your god. So far you have none.

Scrutiny doesn't bother me.  It's lemmings insisting I should become a lemming too.  We don't have to agree, and I don't mind "friendly scrutiny" but when it goes to people insisting that I must agree with you or stating I have no intellect, or other nasty remarks, then it's made personal.  That's not "science", and that's not "logic."

LOL you even bought into the Disney myth about lemmings. Did you not know that was faked?

And why are you then a "sheep" among the "flock"?

ETA: Still waiting for your evidence for a god, any god will do. Got some?

(January 14, 2019 at 12:16 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 12:03 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Scrutiny doesn't bother me.  It's lemmings insisting I should become a lemming too.  We don't have to agree, and I don't mind "friendly scrutiny" but when it goes to people insisting that I must agree with you or stating I have no intellect, or other nasty remarks, then it's made personal.  That's not "science", and that's not "logic."

LOL you even bought into the Disney myth about lemmings. Did you not know that was faked?

And why are you then a "sheep" among the "flock"?

ETA: Still waiting for your evidence for a god, any god will do. Got some?

So why do you think the orientation of the earth is flat?  Shouldn't you know differently by now?

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 5:22 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So... do you thik there was a global flood, M4X?

Not 'Extreme'. A flood as described in certain holy texts.

Not at work.

I said "extreme flooding" including over mountains and hills.  That's my position on it.  Why do you keep insisting that I say something you want me to say?  I already answered your question 3-4 different ways now with the same answer.  What do you think about said flooding during the "Bronze Age" as you stated?

SO.

I ask if you beliueve (Straight up. Nothing wird of 'Sideways' about it) in a global flood.

You answer with.... "Well... water covered mountains and hills..."

NOT defining if it covered all the mountains and all the hills across all of the world is an evasion M4X.

So... you are now seemingly uncomfortable answering the question of.

"Do you think there was a global flood, M4X?"

Why you seem unable to answer such a question with a 'Yes' or 'No'? I am puzzled.

Not at work.

(January 14, 2019 at 2:15 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I said "extreme flooding" including over mountains and hills.  That's my position on it.  Why do you keep insisting that I say something you want me to say?  I already answered your question 3-4 different ways now with the same answer.  What do you think about said flooding during the "Bronze Age" as you stated?

SO.

I ask if you beliueve (Straight up. Nothing wird of 'Sideways' about it) in a global flood.

You answer with.... "Well... water covered mountains and hills..."

NOT defining if it covered all the mountains and all the hills across all of the world is an evasion M4X.

So... you are now seemingly uncomfortable answering the question of.

"Do you think there was a global flood, M4X?"

Why you seem unable to answer such a question with a 'Yes' or 'No'? I am puzzled.

Not at work.

 I wasn't there.  If I don't have a definitive answer, then why do I need to give one? Maybe, maybe not.  I know it covered hills and mountains.  So when you asked, that's what I told you.

(January 14, 2019 at 2:47 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I wasn't there.  If I don't have a definitive answer, then why do I need to give one?  Maybe, maybe not.  I know it covered hills and mountains.  So when you asked, that's what I told you.

So... you answer is that you aren't going to simply give a 'Yes' or 'No' reply to clarify you thoughts on the matter?

You don't know if there was a global flood?

Is there anything you are sure of? That you can give a definite 'Yes' or 'No' answer too?

Just trying to shorten the list of things to ask for clarification on, is all.

Not at work.