(February 5, 2019 at 4:07 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 3:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, you are STILL not getting it.

I constantly see your frustration with the theocracy you rightfully rail against. But to say you have anything in common with CHRISTIANS who make up most of Venezuela is to forget that the SOVIET UNION which was communist, but STILL a majority RUSSIAN ORTHODOX Christian invaded Afghanistan a MAJORITY MUSLIM country.

Again, I do not like America's constant trying to play world' police. But just like I would not want Iran or Saudi Arabia invading America, I also would not want Christian communists, like CUBA or Venezuela or Russia or China invading  America.

I can only agree that leaving global diplomacy to any right wing nuts, or to fascists or dictators is not good for humanity. But I still HATE TRUMP and BIBI as much as you hate your leaders.

Modern soldiers and armies are not religious in the sense. They mostly fight for the government that hired them: just like mercenaries. And they don't even do it out of loyalty; the short-lived loyalty they provide is only for the cash and the services the army gives them.

I'll cut the salaries off the U.S army and see how many stay. I think the U.S would withdraw from half -if not most- of the world.

It's not religion; Brian. In Egypt -for example-, the youth join the army for the services and very high salaries it gives; even in Saddam's Iraq -the U.S purchased the loyalties of thousands of Saddam's own men-.

I assume the same with the Soviets, and the same with any soldier from this era.
Follow the money.

Venezuela is made up by people who have lots of natural recourses, but -like Arabs- they are being robbed either by their own leaders or by foreign powers like the U.S.

The tactic became very well known, Brian. Trump is trying to use the same o'l tactic of invading other countries and cause mad wars to escape the judge's hammer.

Atlass, if you would strip yourself of the "us vs them" mentality most humans suffer from, you'd see, at least with me, I don't disagree with you 100%.

I would agree most humans would rebel and DO rebel when their needs are not met by the powers that be. The Russian revolution, the French Revolution, the Iranian revolution and the American revolution ALL STARTED for the same reasons. Too many people in those given societies felt fucked by the powers they ended up defeating.

No, unlike Bush Jr and Bush Sr, Trump today is the only one I'd agree is out to start another war to avoid Mueller. 

I still would agree with Bush Sr in the first Iraq invasion because Kuwait invited us. And I still agree with Obama getting the Navy Seals to put a bullet in Bin Laden's eye. 

I think where Bush Jr went wrong was trying to prove himself to Daddy Bush trying to make excuses to invade Iraq the second time. And Bush could have easily done what Obama finally did a decade later, instead of an entire ground invasion of Afghanistan.

But there is still no getting around the fact, that between the open west, and the closed theocracies of the east, we CURRENTLY still have more opportunity to defend the individual from a human rights standpoint. 

I would agree currently with the orange turd, that if he were to start a war, ANYWHERE, it would be an attempt to distract from the Mueller investigation.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 4:07 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: FWIW, folks who credit whitey as the cause for everything that ails everyone everywhere have bought into more white supremacist propaganda than they realize.

I know, right?  According to Atlas, white folks have been the reason for any meaningful historic event anywhere, and all the other ethnicities have essentially just been sitting there doing nothing but getting pushed around.  Which sure sounds like a white supremacist talking point.

It is sort of a white supremacist talking point. And I freaking dare you to stand in front of some black people who are complaining about white people, and say to them what you are saying to Atlas.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:23 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 4:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I know, right?  According to Atlas, white folks have been the reason for any meaningful historic event anywhere, and all the other ethnicities have essentially just been sitting there doing nothing but getting pushed around.  Which sure sounds like a white supremacist talking point.

It is sort of a white supremacist talking point. And I freaking dare you to stand in front of some black people who are complaining about white people, and say to them what you are saying to Atlas.

What?  I'm saying specifically to Atlas - the OP in this thread, with whom I've had many interactions - that he has a trademark on all of his threads boiling down to white west = bad, the source of all of history's ills, and that the problems in Muslim countries is solely due to the white west.  I wouldn't say that to "some black people" because that wouldn't make any sense.

The white supremacist talking point comparison was to demonstrate the absurdity of this oversimplification.

Fear is only a powerful motivator for people who feel weak and powerless. IMO, it is far better to have respect without fear. Some of the best leaders I know are apathetic to whether they are feared or loved. I mean Mahatma Gandhi , Mother Theresa and Martin Luther King Jr and Abraham Lincoln weren't known for inspiring fear and they seemed to do good jobs.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 4:23 pm)Yonadav Wrote: It is sort of a white supremacist talking point. And I freaking dare you to stand in front of some black people who are complaining about white people, and say to them what you are saying to Atlas.

What?  I'm saying specifically to Atlas - the OP in this thread, with whom I've had many interactions - that he has a trademark on all of his threads boiling down to white west = bad, the source of all of history's ills, and that the problems in Muslim countries is solely due to the white west.  I wouldn't say that to "some black people" because that wouldn't make any sense.

The white supremacist talking point comparison was to demonstrate the absurdity of this oversimplification.

Well you demonstrated absurdity alright.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What?  I'm saying specifically to Atlas - the OP in this thread, with whom I've had many interactions - that he has a trademark on all of his threads boiling down to white west = bad, the source of all of history's ills, and that the problems in Muslim countries is solely due to the white west.  I wouldn't say that to "some black people" because that wouldn't make any sense.

The white supremacist talking point comparison was to demonstrate the absurdity of this oversimplification.

Well you demonstrated absurdity alright.

..Are you under the impression that I somehow support that white supremacist point?  I think you might simply be reading my posts incorrectly.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, if you would strip yourself of the "us vs them" mentality most humans suffer from, you'd see, at least with me, I don't disagree with you 100%.

I would agree most humans would rebel and DO rebel when their needs are not met by the powers that be. The Russian revolution, the French Revolution, the Iranian revolution and the American revolution ALL STARTED for the same reasons. Too many people in those given societies felt fucked by the powers they ended up defeating.

No, unlike Bush Jr and Bush Sr, Trump today is the only one I'd agree is out to start another war to avoid Mueller. 

I still would agree with Bush Sr in the first Iraq invasion because Kuwait invited us. And I still agree with Obama getting the Navy Seals to put a bullet in Bin Laden's eye. 

I think where Bush Jr went wrong was trying to prove himself to Daddy Bush trying to make excuses to invade Iraq the second time. And Bush could have easily done what Obama finally did a decade later, instead of an entire ground invasion of Afghanistan.

But there is still no getting around the fact, that between the open west, and the closed theocracies of the east, we CURRENTLY still have more opportunity to defend the individual from a human rights standpoint. 

I would agree currently with the orange turd, that if he were to start a war, ANYWHERE, it would be an attempt to distract from the Mueller investigation.

The U.S made billions from the Iraq-Iran war by selling arms to both side. And it came after the war to complete the sucking of the country's oil, that went in history books Brian.

The foreign policy of America in the Arabian Gulf was constant: support warlords and vicious criminals to guard its oil supplies. And when the people revolt; they receive an invasion or a prison sentence for life with torture to the death.

Trump is just doing it out in the open. The previous administrations did it in the dark.

It's not "our" Earth! Earth was around long before humans existed. And more than likely will be here long after they're gone. Stop thinking so highly of yourself.

(February 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(February 5, 2019 at 4:23 pm)Yonadav Wrote: It is sort of a white supremacist talking point. And I freaking dare you to stand in front of some black people who are complaining about white people, and say to them what you are saying to Atlas.

What?  I'm saying specifically to Atlas - the OP in this thread, with whom I've had many interactions - that he has a trademark on all of his threads boiling down to white west = bad, the source of all of history's ills, and that the problems in Muslim countries is solely due to the white west.  I wouldn't say that to "some black people" because that wouldn't make any sense.

The white supremacist talking point comparison was to demonstrate the absurdity of this oversimplification.

No, I don't blame white people. I blame "The Western Regimes" and I specify it always.
White people, black people, asian people, Arabs, Semites, all are HUMANS. all are my brothers and sisters in race.

But when I specify the western government; I'm referring to this:



A picture speaks a thousand words; I refer to this one-of a kind military compulsive global invasion that is still going on by the same pale, immoral ghosts coming from the west.

What can I call them? they were famous with so many names: conquestadors-colonists-imperialists-oligarchs..etc

What should I use?

White and pale is used for reference. Not for racism.
Racism is their trait; not mine.

If you left it to me, I would call them Gog and Magog. But that's a different story.