(February 14, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 10:32 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Drich...you are on an atheist forum asking for help to advance your Christian ideas from a group of people you routinely talk down to and generally show disdain for.

Maybe it's time to know your audience.  Find a forum where people are more interested in cartoon and video making would be a more sensible place to look for assistance.

you are still new/young.. I found along time ago it is not an us verse them but people looking for truth in most cases.. some are just indoctrinated and will toe the line no matter what is presented. for thoses non indoctrinated truth seekers this can be seen as just another possible avenue and more specifically a way to make a few bucks on the side. I don't mind spending money in things I believe in, things like this website or others I have spent time in or other teaching tools.

Young...      

Yeah, okay.  

I quit looking for your truth decades ago as it turned out not to be truth.  And, yes, I did look.  A cartoon isn't going to change my stance...not even one made with such wonderful intentions....soul-saving, bringing people to Jesus, blah, blah, blah.

why I don't can't use christian producer?

primarly because most before they understand completely consider this blaspheme because it goes against tradition. I think christians fear this explaination far more than you guys do. As it exposes a general lack of understand on one of our first and most basic stories.

To be honest I would think a secondary appeal aside from the money would be to put a bug in the ear of the church that could destroy or at least undermine 2000 years of tradition authority and control..

Imagine.. all the power the popes are supposed to have and none of them could reconcile simple science and their beliefs, that the answer came from an atheist and an unknown working together in the way of a youtube video.

again best case.. worst case nothing happens.

(February 14, 2019 at 12:18 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 11:09 am)Mathilda Wrote: I don't know why Xtians do this. My brother basically lied to me asking for me to read over his essay. He led me to believe that he was going to post it to a discussion forum so I gave just enough help that people would actually read it. Then he self-published the essay as a booklet on Amazon to give out to people when proselytising. I would never have given him any help if he had told me outright that that was the intention and I am sure he knew that so he deliberately misled me.

Lying for Jesus is a thing. And Xians expect us to help them with it for some reason.

??? what else would I do with this beside point to it as I described. I said I was going to post it on you tube so anyone could also access it and do the same. At worst a few hundred people look at it and dismiss it. and you walk away with a few bucks in your pocket.. 
what is the big deal? At best I use it to try and explain to people who want to keep their faith, but feel they can't because they see a conflict they can't resolve. and you still walk away with money in your pocket. 



where do you see a lie in this?

You're lying to them about the nature of reality and about what the Darwinian theory of evolution entails. You are also probably lying to yourself.

(February 14, 2019 at 12:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Drich Wrote: you are still new/young.. I found along time ago it is not an us verse them but people looking for truth in most cases.. some are just indoctrinated and will toe the line no matter what is presented. for thoses non indoctrinated truth seekers this can be seen as just another possible avenue and more specifically a way to make a few bucks on the side. I don't mind spending money in things I believe in, things like this website or others I have spent time in or other teaching tools.

Young...      

Yeah, okay.  

I quit looking for your truth decades ago as it turned out not to be truth.  And, yes, I did look.  A cartoon isn't going to change my stance...not even one made with such wonderful intentions....soul-saving, bringing people to Jesus, blah, blah, blah.

I was thinking young in mind meaning polarized absolutest, us verse them..

ok IF that is offensive .. replace young with simplistic polarized cognitive reasoning..

Again nothing to do with jesus, nothing to do with evangelizing or saving souls.

the primary effort here is to destroy foolish church tradition and mindless repetition with an understanding od the 1st and most basic story with a simple but accurate reading of that passage. one that allows both science and religion to work side by side.

are you afraid to find out that science and religion are not two mutually exclusive principles? that if one is right the other is wrong?

Again not trying to reconcile the whole bible just this first story of creation.

Luckily, bearing false witness isn't a sin.

(February 14, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 12:18 pm)Drich Wrote: ??? what else would I do with this beside point to it as I described. I said I was going to post it on you tube so anyone could also access it and do the same. At worst a few hundred people look at it and dismiss it. and you walk away with a few bucks in your pocket.. 
what is the big deal? At best I use it to try and explain to people who want to keep their faith, but feel they can't because they see a conflict they can't resolve. and you still walk away with money in your pocket. 



where do you see a lie in this?

You're lying to them about the nature of reality and about what the Darwinian theory of evolution entails. You are also probably lying to yourself.

see this is why I need the video...

I change nothing the current theory of evolution says (darwinism stopped being the current model like in the 1909, darwin simply is the father of the evolutionary theory, many things have changed meaning his theory has been revised many times since it was first published mid 19th century. None of which had anything to do with me.

Meaning even in the video I want to make I am not changing 1 thing in the theory of evolution. nothing changes at all. I am primarly showing the church how they have been reading the bible wrong. how the time lines are not imposed by the bible but by traditions that mean nothing. once those traditions are removed then that allows the whole unmolested and complete theory of evolution to be added.

are you so angry will you not allow your self to see the truth here? If so you will see I here am on the side of bring science into the church, undermining athority tradition and mindless beliefs. I want to destroy empty smugness and alot of the things that make church evil.

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(February 14, 2019 at 12:45 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Luckily, bearing false witness isn't a sin.

citation or example please.

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if someone is interested PM me and let me know what a 3 to 5 min cartoon type video will cost.

(February 14, 2019 at 12:45 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 12:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Young...      

Yeah, okay.  

I quit looking for your truth decades ago as it turned out not to be truth.  And, yes, I did look.  A cartoon isn't going to change my stance...not even one made with such wonderful intentions....soul-saving, bringing people to Jesus, blah, blah, blah.

I was thinking young in mind meaning polarized absolutest, us verse them..

ok IF that is offensive .. replace young with simplistic polarized cognitive reasoning..

Again nothing to do with jesus, nothing to do with evangelizing or saving souls.

the primary effort here is to destroy foolish church tradition and mindless repetition with an understanding od the 1st and most basic story with a simple but accurate reading of that passage. one that allows both science and religion to work side by side.

are you afraid to find out that science and religion are not two mutually exclusive principles? that if one is right the other is wrong?

Again not trying to reconcile the whole bible just this first story of creation.

I was raised in religion.  It didn't make sense from the time I was a young child.  I did look into various aspects of religion while still thinking that I 'had' to believe in a god somehow.  

You are going to rewrite your sacred book to try to make it make sense?

Good luck with that...I suggest you start with "Once upon a time...".

(February 14, 2019 at 1:01 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(February 14, 2019 at 12:45 pm)Drich Wrote: I was thinking young in mind meaning polarized absolutest, us verse them..

ok IF that is offensive .. replace young with simplistic polarized cognitive reasoning..

Again nothing to do with jesus, nothing to do with evangelizing or saving souls.

the primary effort here is to destroy foolish church tradition and mindless repetition with an understanding od the 1st and most basic story with a simple but accurate reading of that passage. one that allows both science and religion to work side by side.

are you afraid to find out that science and religion are not two mutually exclusive principles? that if one is right the other is wrong?

Again not trying to reconcile the whole bible just this first story of creation.

I was raised in religion.  It didn't make sense from the time I was a young child.  I did look into various aspects of religion while still thinking that I 'had' to believe in a god somehow.  

You are going to rewrite your sacred book to try to make it make sense?

Good luck with that...I suggest you start with "Once upon a time...".

Again this is why I need the video... I am not rewriting darwinism nor am I changing one word of the bible.

Just pointing out the church has been reading the bible wrong for 2000 years give or take.

which of you would not want to be apart of that? In that an atheist and a religious no body not only shows up the church, but ever supposed God Representative pope who has ever lived and denied Darwinism?

again your misconception that I am changing anything is the reason I need the video. as most of you are so ingrained in one or the other argument you can not see how both work together flawless and seamlessly.

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Also here is something our good buddy gae bologna made a point of makeing in another thread about discrimination...

He said we need protection from "hate bakers" My understanding is there was 3 different bakers who had nothing to do with each other other than they were christians asking to make a cake either for a gay wedding some transgender celibration or someing of the like.. they like you all said they could not lend their services because their religious beliefs did not support what their product would be used for...

See where I am going?

If according to gae... we need laws to protect us from 3 little mom and pop shops nation wide. meaning there needs to be laws enacted to protect people from objecting to dowork they would normally be doing but with holding because they object their product to be used in a religious or political way theu do not agree with...

Then isn't two pages of you all telling me you will not help me do my project the same as those christian bakers telling the gay people they did not want to bake their cake?

Are you not guilty of the same discrimination that the bakery shop owners were guilty of? remember your feeling toward those guys when these stories first came out? do you feel that way about yourselves?

Given the amount of time that producing a slick version of a video that length would take, I'd expect it to run about $40k. I have a friend who'd be happy to help.

Drich...who gave you the authority to decide that others read the Bible incorrectly? And you read it correctly?

That's a pretty ballsy claim.