They are all available on Youtube.

(May 24, 2019 at 8:43 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: This should be in the psuedo-science section because that is exactly what this is,

Digital techniques are capable of storing the original recording with a MUCH greater fidelity than than vinyl records can - and that's before the inevitable degredation of the vinyl media through cutting by the diamond stylus.

I won't argue with someone who insists they like the sound of the record better because that's entirely possible . All it means though is that they prefer the sound of the distorted recording to the original.

The whole point of any recording process is to record the original with as great a faithfulness as possible. There is no physical way to do this better than through digital techniques. An analogue technique such as used by vinyl records is measurably inferior in every way. That's really the end of the story. Claiming vinyl records have any advantage in fidelity over CDs is in the same league as arguing for intelligent design or the sun orbiting around Earth. It is demonstrably false.

The fidelity might suffer, but it is nice to not need to have a hand in the mixing (i.e. messing with your treble/bass knobs) to bring anything out.  Vinyl does a pretty crappy job of hiding anything subtle.  I've played in a couple bands, and self-recording is the fastest way to reach a total band-dissolving disagreement.  Preventing bad mixing at a bar show is more difficult than writing a song, but you have to do it differently every time.  I don't argue against vinyl having a fidelity loss, I argue that it is more fun to spin records, fidelity be damned.  But the point of the recording process, as it's laid here, is maybe a little subjective.  Not fully against the point, but it's pretty understood that distortion is only crafted to a certain level.  Beyond that, it's nitpicking. Do you want a microphone recommendation for each recording space?  Do you want a speaker recommendation for a better playback from each studio?  Just spin the record, play the songs, it's not that big a deal.

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(May 24, 2019 at 10:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: They are all available on Youtube.

No, they are not https://www.discogs.com/The-Love-Languag...ter/516025


See below, yes, your're right, they are. Sorry for mouthing off.

Yes they are.

The Albums Page makes it a lot easier to see that. Maybe linking to the channel page wasn't the best choice. All four albums, plus a compilation of demos, are present and accounted for.

When vacuum tube amplifiers are driven to distortion, they produce even-order harmonics. Solid-state amplifiers produce odd-order harmonics. The former sound better to the latter.

The problem is, you are not supposed to drive either type of amplifier to distortion. If you do this, the replicated sound is NOT true to the original.

This really has nothing to do with the analog vs. digital argument. The FACT is that digital recording techniques are far superior to any analogue techniques.

If you want to argue vacuum tube vs, solid-state, that one is easy too. The characteristics of transistors remain constant throughout their lives. This is not the case with vacuum tubes because the elements within them warp over time due to heat.

Make no mistake: Digital > Analogue. Solid-State > Vacuum Tube.

Don't buy snake oil.

(May 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: When vacuum tube amplifiers are driven to distortion, they produce even-order harmonics. Solid-state amplifiers produce odd-order harmonics. The former sound better to the latter.

The problem is, you are not supposed to drive either type of amplifier to distortion. If you do this, the replicated sound is NOT true to the original.

This really has nothing to do with the analog vs. digital argument. The FACT is that digital recording techniques are far superior to any analogue techniques.

If you want to argue vacuum tube vs, solid-state, that one is easy too. The characteristics of transistors remain constant throughout their lives. This is not the case with vacuum tubes because the elements within them warp over time due to heat.

Make no mistake: Digital > Analogue. Solid-State > Vacuum Tube.

Don't buy snake oil.

Nor would I buy snake oil for its healing properties.  But this hardline "must fit certain parameters"  to be artistically pure is what I'm currently struggling with.  You'll have to forgive me if I appreciate your opinion, but don't take it so seriously that I can no longer enjoy distortion.

(May 24, 2019 at 11:37 pm)Gol Dernitt Wrote:

(May 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: When vacuum tube amplifiers are driven to distortion, they produce even-order harmonics. Solid-state amplifiers produce odd-order harmonics. The former sound better to the latter.

The problem is, you are not supposed to drive either type of amplifier to distortion. If you do this, the replicated sound is NOT true to the original.

This really has nothing to do with the analog vs. digital argument. The FACT is that digital recording techniques are far superior to any analogue techniques.

If you want to argue vacuum tube vs, solid-state, that one is easy too. The characteristics of transistors remain constant throughout their lives. This is not the case with vacuum tubes because the elements within them warp over time due to heat.

Make no mistake: Digital > Analogue. Solid-State > Vacuum Tube.

Don't buy snake oil.

Nor would I buy snake oil for its healing properties.  But this hardline "must fit certain parameters"  to be artistically pure is what I'm currently struggling with.  You'll have to forgive me if I appreciate your opinion, but don't take it so seriously that I can no longer enjoy media distortion.

Your enjoying media distortion is fine - as long as you acknowledge it as such.

If an artist records their performance on both CD and vinyl, the CD recording is going to sound more like their actual performance than the vinyl recording will.

Also, now that I know Youtube links are ok, Bait Car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9eaR2APZuk is in my top 25 breakout songs of all time.  If you don't like feedback, you shouldn't listen.  If you don't know what feedback is, good luck   Whole album is good, I would spend 60 bucks to get this back in my collection if I accidentally gave it away.

YouTube compression is a little different, I'm caught between worlds

(May 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: When vacuum tube amplifiers are driven to distortion, they produce even-order harmonics. Solid-state amplifiers produce odd-order harmonics. The former sound better to the latter.

The problem is, you are not supposed to drive either type of amplifier to distortion. If you do this, the replicated sound is NOT true to the original.

This really has nothing to do with the analog vs. digital argument. The FACT is that digital recording techniques are far superior to any analogue techniques.

If you want to argue vacuum tube vs, solid-state, that one is easy too. The characteristics of transistors remain constant throughout their lives. This is not the case with vacuum tubes because the elements within them warp over time due to heat.

Make no mistake: Digital > Analogue. Solid-State > Vacuum Tube.

Don't buy snake oil.

As a guitarist, I know that there can actually be advantages to analogue. The thing is, as AFTT47 and I both stated, those advantages work only if you're not claiming it's somehow staying true to the original sound. Guitarists still remain fond of vacuum tubes specifically because they change the original sound (tubes being driven to distortion that sounds cool). If vinyl somehow sounds better (and there's really no reason it should, outside the loudness war), that's because the limitations of the format end up working in the recording's favour.

(May 24, 2019 at 11:59 pm)Gol Dernitt Wrote: Also, now that I know Youtube links are ok, Bait Car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9eaR2APZuk is in my top 25 breakout songs of all time.  If you don't like feedback, you shouldn't listen.  If you don't know what feedback is, good luck   Whole album is good, I would spend 60 bucks to get this back in my collection if I accidentally gave it away.

I like it better than most "modern" music.

The musical style is irrelevant to the issue of recording technique however. A digital technique is always going to be superior to an analogue one. It doesn't matter if you are recording an orchestra consisting of musicians who have been playing since they were children or Bill and Ted (Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure) before they knew how to play. Whatever the original performance, the digital recording technique is going to more faithfully reproduce it than any analogue technique.

A good performance will sound good. A bad performance will sound bad.

(May 25, 2019 at 12:16 am)AFTT47 Wrote:

(May 24, 2019 at 11:59 pm)Gol Dernitt Wrote: Also, now that I know Youtube links are ok, Bait Car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9eaR2APZuk is in my top 25 breakout songs of all time.  If you don't like feedback, you shouldn't listen.  If you don't know what feedback is, good luck   Whole album is good, I would spend 60 bucks to get this back in my collection if I accidentally gave it away.

I like it better than most "modern" music.

The musical style is irrelevant to the issue of recording technique however. A digital technique is always going to be superior to an analogue one. It doesn't matter if you are recording an orchestra consisting of musicians who have been playing since they were children or Bill and Ted (Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure) before they knew how to play. Whatever the original performance, the digital recording technique is going to more faithfully reproduce it than any analogue technique.

A good performance will sound good. A bad performance will sound bad.

"A good performance will sound good.  A bad performance will sound bad."  Not a direct quote.  You have no idea how on board I am there, a poor live show is the nightmare. However, to qualify art is a little stifling.