How do ID/creationists account for genetic mutation?
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The code that is DNA
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December 28, 2019 at 12:08 am
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(December 27, 2019 at 10:14 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:He actually can't .He thinks he can .The same way flat earthers think they can debunk gravity or the curve of the earth(December 27, 2019 at 6:31 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: It’s also an affirmation that macro evolution is a fantasy (December 27, 2019 at 10:40 pm)Sal Wrote: How do ID/creationists account for genetic mutation?The fall same way they explain away everything else .That or god put there for some unexplained reason .
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Fun Fact: Darwin’s theory of evolution is actually better supported than Newton’s theory of gravity and yet "science-loving" Christians on this forum never open a topic trying to diss and question gravity. They are not concerned by it at all. I wonder why? Not only has the theory of gravity never been proven [source], it’s demonstrably wrong! One reason is that it incorrectly predicts how Mercury orbits the sun. Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity replaced Newtonian mechanics and has even been proven to be more accurate, but it also assumes things about particles that we now know are false. Otherwise, quantum mechanics wouldn’t work. Why don’t creationists demand that they teach both the strengths and weaknesses of gravity theory? Especially since there are holes in that theory!
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 (December 27, 2019 at 6:31 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote:(December 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: What, exactly, is about testability, John? We haven't needed to reference a single untestable thing thusfar. What you are saying here is that you don't understand evolution. That's ok. We can educate you. You are expecting a hard line in the sand. Its a common trait of people with limited understanding, but the truth is more a subtle more gradual. What it comes down to is small changes, over time, lead to big changes. And of course many small changes can be happening at the same time. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  RE: The code that is DNA
December 28, 2019 at 6:53 am
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(December 28, 2019 at 6:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Fun Fact: Darwin’s theory of evolution is actually better supported than Newton’s theory of gravity and yet "science-loving" Christians on this forum never open a topic trying to diss and question gravity. They are not concerned by it at all. I wonder why? Not only has the theory of gravity never been proven [source], it’s demonstrably wrong! One reason is that it incorrectly predicts how Mercury orbits the sun. Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity replaced Newtonian mechanics and has even been proven to be more accurate, but it also assumes things about particles that we now know are false. Otherwise, quantum mechanics wouldn’t work. Why don’t creationists demand that they teach both the strengths and weaknesses of gravity theory? Especially since there are holes in that theory! Not to forget that basically we have direct access (minus deep ocean...for now) to earth and all its habitats, while we dont know if far out in the universe gravity works different. There are even hypotheses that exactly this could explain the alleged effect of "dark energy".
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 (December 28, 2019 at 6:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Not only has the theory of gravity never been proven [source], it’s demonstrably wrong! 
 RE: The code that is DNA
December 28, 2019 at 11:48 am
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(December 28, 2019 at 6:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Fun Fact: Darwin’s theory of evolution is actually better supported than Newton’s theory of gravity and yet "science-loving" Christians on this forum never open a topic trying to diss and question gravity. First, the end of that sentence is problematic; its important to keep the phenomenon separate from the theory, and in this sentence you've merged the two together. In case there's confusion about the difference, lets quote your source: 1. "Gravity is the name we give to the phenomenon that objects accelerate towards each other when they are otherwise left to their own devices." 2. "A theory of gravity is a different kettle of fish." Secondly, I think most people are aware that we've moved more into an Einsteinian view of gravity than a Newtonian one, so perhaps using Newton in your comparison is a bit of a strawman. (December 28, 2019 at 11:48 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: ; its important to keep the phenomenon separate from the theory, One explains the other. Can you guess which does what?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
Great idea. Can we also manage to separate the facts of evolutionary biology with the theory that explains them, John? That would help our convo about evolutionary biology along immensely. There is certainly a theory, and you can object to that just as soon as you figure out what your objection is...but it's pointless to argue against facts, correct?
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