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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me know when you win the Nobel for overturning evolution, mmkay?

Who won the Nobel for evolution in the first place lol?
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:01 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 1:33 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Am I giving you too much credit when I assume creator monkeys is not your actual position?

I am a Christian; but I don't hold positions. Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that I'm not a skeptic.

Except for when it comes to evolution, lol. If you are a Christian, then you hold the position that a man was the son of a god, died, and then came back to life three days later to save our immortal souls, based on a two thousand year old book of alleged hearsay. If only you were as critical of your own admitted position as you are of observed and repeatable evolutionary biology.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let me know when you win the Nobel for overturning evolution, mmkay?

Who won the Nobel for evolution in the first place lol?

Who said anyone did, lol?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:37 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If only you were as critical of your own admitted position as you are of observed and repeatable evolutionary biology.

Yup, if only I were as critical, then perhaps I'd be an atheist that still has the same issues with evolution.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:45 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 2:37 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If only you were as critical of your own admitted position as you are of observed and repeatable evolutionary biology.

Yup, if only I were as critical, then perhaps I'd be an atheist that still has the same issues with evolution.

Maybe you would, but at least you’d be rid of one unwarranted belief about reality. But, you aren’t going to do that, because you’re starting from the unwarranted belief and working backward from there.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
You guys should just stick to preaching the faith. At least it’s honest work.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 1:39 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: god entails not needing anything.

How, exactly, did you determine that?

I didn't determine anything, I'm just reminding you of what the word "god" usually means. It usually means an all-powerful being, all-powerful automatically means : doesn't need anything.

(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Who said this world is the product of nothing? Not me. What would convince me of tuning you ask? Evidence of a tuner, and tuning, lol. You have neither. You’re simply looking around at reality and saying, “wow!”. That’s not evidence or an argument. Why am I convinced cars are designed, Klorophyll? Because, there exists evidence of engineers, and engineering; design plans and the folks who wrote them, and evidence of how they wrote them; because I can walk into an automobile manufacturing company and watch manufacturing employees putting cars together using various parts; because when my car breaks, I can bring it to the repair shop and watch the auto repair guy diagnose and replace the broken part. You have no such evidence for tuning, or a tuner; for a designer or design. No mechanism; no nothing.

Okay. So if there was no way for you to walk into an automobile manufacturing company (let's suppose the latter is in some distant galaxy, casually sending us cars by some mysterious means science didn't discover yet) you would still be certain cars must be designed, right?

(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I agree that something can’t come from nothing, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


RE: The code that is DNA
You saying that I have not defended my assertions is bogus, while Sungula keeps saying Tour uttered a strawman and then runs away
Oh and 40000 fly generations have produced nothing, thank you lenski
RE: The code that is DNA
I don't know anything about what fly experiment anyone is talking about. But I do take issue with Mister Agenda's linear approach to generations. If each generation produces x number of offsprings, then the number of trials evolution is being given to produce anything other than flies grows exponentially with each generation.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: How, exactly, did you determine that?

I didn't determine anything, I'm just reminding you of what the word "god" usually means. It usually means an all-powerful being, all-powerful automatically means : doesn't need anything.

(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Who said this world is the product of nothing? Not me. What would convince me of tuning you ask? Evidence of a tuner, and tuning, lol. You have neither. You’re simply looking around at reality and saying, “wow!”. That’s not evidence or an argument. Why am I convinced cars are designed, Klorophyll? Because, there exists evidence of engineers, and engineering; design plans and the folks who wrote them, and evidence of how they wrote them; because I can walk into an automobile manufacturing company and watch manufacturing employees putting cars together using various parts; because when my car breaks, I can bring it to the repair shop and watch the auto repair guy diagnose and replace the broken part. You have no such evidence for tuning, or a tuner; for a designer or design. No mechanism; no nothing.

Okay. So if there was no way for you to walk into an automobile manufacturing company (let's suppose the latter is in some distant galaxy, casually sending us cars by some mysterious means science didn't discover yet) you would still be certain cars must be designed, right?

(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I agree that something can’t come from nothing, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?

A mechanical device is obviously designed, a biological one, especially one as flawed as humans, not so much.

Even if there was a first cause, it doesn’t mean it was a god or your god. It doesn’t even necessarily denote an intelligence.

Everything we see in nature and the lab indicates a natural order to things that came about over billions of years, despite what books of myth say.
Dying to live, living to die.



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