(July 8, 2020 at 7:53 pm)brewer Wrote: When people use BLM as a chant or slogan I doubt they give a shit about the BLM organization, it's the sentiment.

To bad some white aholes came up with All Lives Matter as a diversion.

One step further. 


You can buy a "Black Rifles Matter" t-shirt or bumper sticker.....


Ahhhh capitalism..

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(July 8, 2020 at 5:01 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(July 8, 2020 at 11:17 am)Editz Wrote: systematic racism in the West is largely nothing but a work of their collective imaginations.

I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. Wicked wrong.

I could suggest a few books if you'd be willing to read about the history of racism in the United States and how it still affects our systems of government, housing, etc.

Way to quote mine, Shell B...no objectives etc?

Yeah that's not quote mining and your opinion of BLM is false and absurd

(July 9, 2020 at 10:25 am)Editz Wrote:

(July 8, 2020 at 5:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. Wicked wrong.

I could suggest a few books if you'd be willing to read about the history of racism in the United States and how it still affects our systems of government, housing, etc.

Way to quote mine, Shell B...no objectives etc?

Quote mining? *sigh* That is me responding to only one part of your post because it was the part I wanted to respond to and offer you resources. Please Google quote mining and get back to me.

(July 8, 2020 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If they really believed that ‘all lives matter’, they should have no problem with ‘black lives matter.’ 

But that’s not what they mean.

Boru

I think most people, at least initially, used both Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter as propositions. These phrases eventually developed opposing connotations and even organizations behind them.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are still individuals who sincerely use these phrases as propositions. We shouldn't initially assume that a person saying black lives matter is endorsing the values of some organization; and we shouldn't initially assume that a person saying all lives matter is endorsing some racist agenda. I think the benefit of the doubt should always be given until there is evidence to the contrary.

(July 9, 2020 at 6:30 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(July 8, 2020 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If they really believed that ‘all lives matter’, they should have no problem with ‘black lives matter.’ 

But that’s not what they mean.

Boru

I think most people, at least initially, used both Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter as propositions. These phrases eventually developed opposing connotations and even organizations behind them.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are still individuals who sincerely use these phrases as propositions. We shouldn't initially assume that a person saying black lives matter is endorsing the values of some organization; and we shouldn't initially assume that a person saying all lives matter is endorsing some racist agenda. I think the benefit of the doubt should always be given until there is evidence to the contrary.

But we can judge by the context in which it is said. If a white person insists all lives matter, then at best we can make the judgement that this person most likely doesn't get it and is speaking out of privilege with not much awareness and understanding.

Both "Black lives matter." and "All lives matter." are true propositions.

The Black Lives Matter movement is necessary and the All Lives Matter movement isn't.

This guy's a breath of fresh air.
(ignore the idiot in the first 30 seconds and ignore the title)

Lol Prager "black people face no hardships and the cops are always right no matter what " U

Seriously, Dude? Citing a PragerU video as anything but a reflection of what the right either thinks or the sort of narratives they want to push?

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(July 9, 2020 at 6:55 pm)Grandizer Wrote: But we can judge by the context in which it is said. If a white person insists all lives matter, then at best we can make the judgement that this person most likely doesn't get it and is speaking out of privilege with not much awareness and understanding.

Or more fundamentally, if you're saying "Black Lives Matter, but All Lives Matter", it's a lot more... morally dodgy than saying "All lives matter, therefore, Black lives matter." They don't need to be mutually exclusive. It's a shame that people like to treat it like they are, especially if they're using it to deflect from the question of black lives.