Easy, the almighty loves the scat.

As we see so often, the issue comes down to "I have a value which I hold to unquestioningly, and the God I don't believe in doesn't seem to share this value, therefore God can't be so great."

In this case the value is efficiency. Why would a god make a system with inefficiency. The idea that an omniscient being might have reasons unknown to me is abhorrent.

First, it would be good to question whether efficiency is always a good idea. Critics of the industrial revolution were pointing out 200 years ago that the efficient production of goods often led to various other problems. So efficiency in itself is not always good. I suppose people don't read Ruskin any more, but he was pretty eloquent about the difference between an efficiently mass-produced chair and one made by an experienced craftsman. And of course nobody admires the Nazi's extremely efficient methods of extermination.

Second, there is evidence that if this world was made by a god, it is based on abundance. Ridiculous overabundance which doesn't require efficiency. People kind of don't need all the space that there is in the universe, but apparently this imaginary god wanted to make it. Not to mention the many species of beetles. So any ideas about God which acknowledged reality would have to see values other than efficiency for people.

Depending on how you read the New Testament, it can certainly be interpreted as advocating wildly inefficient overabundance in how we treat people. And classical theology says that God made the whole universe not because it was an efficient way to get something done (God needs nothing) but because something which is overabundantly good will overflow.

(August 15, 2020 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: God created all the animals, right? So he created all their systems, right? So the best system for taking in energy and disposing of waste involves shit, right? Nothing better occurred to an omnipotent omniscient being?

And I know there will be a lot of "yeah, butt!" posts. Please prove your points.

Why not? There are all those dung beetles and flies that need to eat. If I don't eat, I don't shit. If I don't shit, they don't eat. #thinkofthefliesandbeetles

Now, it begs the question, how exactly did Mary get impregnated?

Is this god an in through the out door type of deity?

(August 15, 2020 at 7:47 pm)Belacqua Wrote: As we see so often, the issue comes down to "I have a value which I hold to unquestioningly, and the God I don't believe in doesn't seem to share this value, therefore God can't be so great."

In this case the value is efficiency. Why would a god make a system with inefficiency. The idea that an omniscient being might have reasons unknown to me is abhorrent.

First, it would be good to question whether efficiency is always a good idea. Critics of the industrial revolution were pointing out 200 years ago that the efficient production of goods often led to various other problems. So efficiency in itself is not always good. I suppose people don't read Ruskin any more, but he was pretty eloquent about the difference between an efficiently mass-produced chair and one made by an experienced craftsman. And of course nobody admires the Nazi's extremely efficient methods of extermination.

Second, there is evidence that if this world was made by a god, it is based on abundance. Ridiculous overabundance which doesn't require efficiency. People kind of don't need all the space that there is in the universe, but apparently this imaginary god wanted to make it. Not to mention the many species of beetles. So any ideas about God which acknowledged reality would have to see values other than efficiency for people.

Depending on how you read the New Testament, it can certainly be interpreted as advocating wildly inefficient overabundance in how we treat people. And classical theology says that God made the whole universe not because it was an efficient way to get something done (God needs nothing) but because something which is overabundantly good will overflow.

1st it would wise to question whether the alledged non-Christian Belaqua could ever, even in theory, rouse himself To just pretend most superficially, to behave As if he was just an infinitesimal amount less than the most maximally and obnoxiously besotted of Christians.

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(August 15, 2020 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: God created all the animals, right? So he created all their systems, right? So the best system for taking in energy and disposing of waste involves shit, right? Nothing better occurred to an omnipotent omniscient being?

And I know there will be a lot of "yeah, butt!" posts. Please prove your points.

Nooooo, defecation is so sublimely perfect a process to apply upon the Christian Bible that only a divinity as Omni everything as Can only be revealed to the Christians can possibly have created it.

I held back.  Nope not gonna drop it.  Then I see it all around.  Everybody does it.  The signs are all there, let it go.  It's okay.  But no, I have to stay clenched.  

What kind of sick fucker puts a serious tag on a poop thread?

A Scatman Crothers enthusiast?

(August 15, 2020 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: God created all the animals, right? So he created all their systems, right? So the best system for taking in energy and disposing of waste involves shit, right? Nothing better occurred to an omnipotent omniscient being?

And I know there will be a lot of "yeah, butt!" posts. Please prove your points.

Well there is one animal that doesn't defecate, the demodex. This can cause health problems for people who have large numbers living on their skins.

(August 16, 2020 at 1:16 am)Ranjr Wrote: I held back.  Nope not gonna drop it.  Then I see it all around.  Everybody does it.  The signs are all there, let it go.  It's okay.  But no, I have to stay clenched.  

What kind of sick fucker puts a serious tag on a poop thread?

Because threads tend to degenerate here and I am asking a serious question. Kinda thought that would be obvious.

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(August 16, 2020 at 6:58 am)Nomad Wrote:

(August 15, 2020 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: God created all the animals, right? So he created all their systems, right? So the best system for taking in energy and disposing of waste involves shit, right? Nothing better occurred to an omnipotent omniscient being?

And I know there will be a lot of "yeah, butt!" posts. Please prove your points.

Well there is one animal that doesn't defecate, the demodex.  This can cause health problems for people who have large numbers living on their skins.

There's a moth that is comes out of the chrysalis without any mouth, so not input and no "output". They starve to death within a month so they have to get down to business quickly if they want to have another generation.

(August 15, 2020 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: God created all the animals, right? So he created all their systems, right? So the best system for taking in energy and disposing of waste involves shit, right? Nothing better occurred to an omnipotent omniscient being?

And I know there will be a lot of "yeah, butt!" posts. Please prove your points.

I'm not sure I understand why you feel it's not good enough. What do you consider to be it's biggest drawback?