(November 3, 2021 at 10:44 pm)a transient worthless Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:35 pm)Spongebob Wrote: OK, airhead.  I'll be square with you for a sec, not that you deserve it.  Scientists are still to this day confirming aspects of Einstein's theories using technology that didn't exist during his time.  Understand (if that's possible) that he, Einstein, predicted many things about space and time with the theories he developed a century ago, when the technology needed to truly confirm them wasn't even remotely possible.  That is predictive power!  And that's on top of the predictions that were confirmed while he was still around, such as nuclear power.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7rmC8kGtlw

I understand that you don't know about these things because you are either lazy or a troll or just plain stupid.  Please go an educate yourself or at the very least stop wasting our time.

But what does any of that stuff have to do with the spiritual realm?

(November 3, 2021 at 10:40 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:31 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Science is poop. A real man (or woman) comes up with his (or her) own system for explaining the universe and the meaning of human lives. Anything else is extraneous and stupid.

Really? Please just go away now. You actually make me like talking to other people that I hate talking to because at least they talk about reality.

Where's OLB at?

(November 3, 2021 at 10:44 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:35 pm)Spongebob Wrote: OK, airhead.  I'll be square with you for a sec, not that you deserve it.  Scientists are still to this day confirming aspects of Einstein's theories using technology that didn't exist during his time.  Understand (if that's possible) that he, Einstein, predicted many things about space and time with the theories he developed a century ago, when the technology needed to truly confirm them wasn't even remotely possible.  That is predictive power!  And that's on top of the predictions that were confirmed while he was still around, such as nuclear power.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7rmC8kGtlw

I understand that you don't know about these things because you are either lazy or a troll or just plain stupid.  Please go an educate yourself or at the very least stop wasting our time.

But what does any of that stuff have to do with the spiritual realm?

(November 3, 2021 at 10:50 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Spongebob

(November 3, 2021 at 10:31 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Science is poop. A real man (or woman) comes up with his (or her) own system for explaining the universe and the meaning of human lives. Anything else is extraneous and stupid.

Really?  Please just go away now.  You actually make me like talking to other people that I hate talking to because at least they talk about reality.

Where's OLB at?

No! Ignore Bob here! I'm loving the irony of you telling us that "science is poop" via countless integrated microcircuits, infrared lasers pulsing down thousands of kilometers of fiberoptic cable, and a fleet of Earth-orbiting satellites. Did you have to work hard to be this stoopid or were you born with this gift?

(November 3, 2021 at 10:44 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:35 pm)Spongebob Wrote: OK, airhead.  I'll be square with you for a sec, not that you deserve it.  Scientists are still to this day confirming aspects of Einstein's theories using technology that didn't exist during his time.  Understand (if that's possible) that he, Einstein, predicted many things about space and time with the theories he developed a century ago, when the technology needed to truly confirm them wasn't even remotely possible.  That is predictive power!  And that's on top of the predictions that were confirmed while he was still around, such as nuclear power.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7rmC8kGtlw

I understand that you don't know about these things because you are either lazy or a troll or just plain stupid.  Please go an educate yourself or at the very least stop wasting our time.

But what does any of that stuff have to do with the spiritual realm?

(November 3, 2021 at 10:44 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:35 pm)Spongebob Wrote: OK, airhead.  I'll be square with you for a sec, not that you deserve it.  Scientists are still to this day confirming aspects of Einstein's theories using technology that didn't exist during his time.  Understand (if that's possible) that he, Einstein, predicted many things about space and time with the theories he developed a century ago, when the technology needed to truly confirm them wasn't even remotely possible.  That is predictive power!  And that's on top of the predictions that were confirmed while he was still around, such as nuclear power.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7rmC8kGtlw

I understand that you don't know about these things because you are either lazy or a troll or just plain stupid.  Please go an educate yourself or at the very least stop wasting our time.

But what does any of that stuff have to do with the spiritual realm?

(November 3, 2021 at 8:51 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 8:24 pm)slartibartfast Wrote: Ahri do you even understand Paleo's proposition? The Universe is approx. 13 billion years old ie. roughly 13 x 10^9. For a portion of the Universe's life it was completely incapable of supporting life, as no solid matter even existed. Currently we are in the Stelliferous era, meaning stars form, burn Hydrogen into heavier atoms, blow up and spew those into the cosmos to form more stars and planets. This phase however will not go on forever. 

The Universe is not just expanding and therefore cooling, but will also go through a number of significant transitions. 

When the Stelliferous Era ends, no new stars will form and the Degenerate Era will begin.
Eventually all Galaxies will cease to exist, eventually resulting in the decay of all protons, and therefore even atoms will cease to exist.

The Black Hole Era will take over at which point they are the only thing that remains (including the odd Neutrino blasting into nowhere).

At some point in time even the Black Holes will all evaporate, at which point complete heat death of the Universe will have occurred.

The timespan of the stelliferous era able to support life as we know it is unimaginably short compared to the other eras.

The point Paleo is making is that even our Universe's ability to support life is for a mere blip compared to its entire existence.

This is just one perspective. Not the only perspective.

(November 3, 2021 at 7:54 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Congratulations on proving your point. The universe is not fine-tuned for life. Life is reasonably well evolved for the universe. The current conditions are a very short-lived state between the super-heated quark-gluon plasma of the Big Bang and a near eternity of slowly evaporating supermassive black holes.

Stupidest shit I've ever heard.

(November 3, 2021 at 11:00 am)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 10:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: Nobody "owns"  scientific method. But it is also wrong to use science to point to a religious club. A computer works in Japan, Iran, Australia, and America. Planes fly into every country. Vaccines work in every country. It is true that religious people can and do value science, but ethical scientists do not bastardize scientific method just to act as a billboard ad to point to their club. 

The children's hospital "St Jude" may seem well intended, and it does try to cure childhood cancer. But the name alone implies, "look what we did, there for the Catholic Jesus is the one true God". That part I do not like. It is great they want to save kids from cancer, but there is no God trying to save them.

But I have over 20 years of debate online seen arguments from Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists whom all argue that science points to their club. Point being, scientific method is not about supporting one's own personal bias, but objectively seeking out answers regardless of personal bias.

Sounds like you hate the word “hope”.

(November 4, 2021 at 4:55 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 3, 2021 at 11:00 am)GaryAnderson Wrote: Sounds like you hate the word “hope”.

I don't hate the word "hope" at all, but I do hate bullshit.