(November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is a reason for God to exist tho', it reasonably follows. There is no reason to suppose atheism, it is merely a denial of the reasoning.

You really have to stop drinking before you post fr0d0. You seem to lose your understanding of the word 'reason' when you do.

The one thing agreed upon here is that there is no verifiable evidence for god. How does it follow then that believing is the reasonable position?

(November 20, 2011 at 5:49 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is a reason for God to exist tho', it reasonably follows. There is no reason to suppose atheism, it is merely a denial of the reasoning.

You really have to stop drinking before you post fr0d0. You seem to lose your understanding of the word 'reason' when you do.

The one thing agreed upon here is that there is no verifiable evidence for god. How does it follow then that believing is the reasonable position?

Du'uh! As god is not empically testable that is why there is no empirical evidence of his existence - thus it is logical to believe in himl

(November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is a reason for God to exist tho', it reasonably follows. There is no reason to suppose atheism, it is merely a denial of the reasoning.

HUH?

On this Occam's Razor point, chadster, it is often misused, I agree. It's not really about the 'simplest' explanation, but the explanation that makes the least new assumptions.

Example:

We know the natural world exists, because the evidence for it is literally everywhere around us. Assumptions made: 0

Now when you suppose that a supernatural realm exists, we have to show that this is the case. Otherwise, assumptions made: 1

(November 20, 2011 at 1:50 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm)chadster1976 Wrote: With no evidence, surely it is more like Schrodinger's cat? He both exists and doesn't exist at the same time...

I respect your atheist opinion and if I ever feel I have evidence contrary to it, I will publish it in a peer reviewed paper! I assume you would do the same. Until then we can both hold our beliefs, just as the cat is both dead and alive.

I don't have any beliefs.

You do.

There is your critical difference right there.

A theist can never try and lump the two viewpoints together in a box marked "equally as valid as one another" as you have tried to now do several times because one is a belief and the other one isn't.

My view "I do not believe there is a god because there is no evidence" IS completely logical AND valid.

Your view "I believe in god even though there is no evidence" ISN'T valid. Sure you can hold that belief, but it'll never be valid until you can back it up.

What is your take on dark matter and dark energy, mine is that science claims that it exists, yet there is no valid evidence for either, it is no more than primitive man trying to explain something they do not understand, that would be God. So what kind of logic is it that would believe in dark matter and energy.

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(November 20, 2011 at 7:24 am)chadster1976 Wrote: GS. I neither said you committed atrocities nor that you believed the Earth to be flat. Strawman-tastic! Re-read my post and see the correct context.
I firmly believe the Bible to be divinely inspired but that is VERY different from believing it to be the ABSOLUTE word of God. Can you not see the difference?

E.g. If I say to you that I am Welsh and all the other Welsh people I know are nice people, you could say:
1)"Chadster says all the Welsh people he knows are nice" - my direct word;
2)"All the Welsh people Chadster knows are nice" - an interpretation of my words;
"All Welsh people are nice" - an extrapolated interpretation of my words;
"People of Wales ARE nice, thus is the word of Chadster" - an extrapolated interpretation describing authority to my words.
All 4 statements are inspired by my original words but only 1 correctly conveys the original message. That is why it is dangerous to rely entirely upon a flawed text (flawed because of man's translations and selective editing) and ignore the common sense and intellectual abilities God gave you. Ignoring the skills God gave you is a bit of a slap in the face to the almighty.

See The Bold #'s above. Though 1 may be stated differently, how does it's meaning differ from 2.

(November 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: What is your take on dark matter and dark energy, mine is that science claims that it exists, yet there is no valid evidence for either, it is no more than primitive man trying to explain something they do not understand, that would be God. So what kind of logic is it that would believe in dark matter and energy.

I generally just let things like that roll off my back. I try not to talk down to the mentally challenged. But you really are a brainwashed idiot. You cannot really believe this crap spewing out of your mouth, can you?

(November 18, 2011 at 4:20 am)ElDinero Wrote: Tack, you should feel ashamed of yourself for giving this nimrod kudos for that drivel. You don't KNOW anything, GC.

Tack understands what, no he knows what I also know, just because it escapes you at the moment does not mean what we know is not absolutely true. I'm sorry that you have not come to know, there is always hope though nothing is impossible with God.

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(November 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 18, 2011 at 2:54 am)Godschild Wrote: It's not arrogance, it's knowing and I does not matter if you or anyone else believes I can't know for certain that Christ is real and my savior. There is much I can never know but I do know Christ and the eternal life that is ahead.

And I am certain that you are wrong.

See how that works, without evidence its just your opinion against mine which is boring.

I put forward all science against your little book, your move.

My book as you put it (actually belongs to all who want it) is the #1 seller every year. Move made.

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(November 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm)aleialoura Wrote:

(November 16, 2011 at 3:52 am)Godschild Wrote:

(November 15, 2011 at 11:05 pm)aleialoura Wrote: It's all up for interpretation and you have no way of knowing if you've got it right. I interpret it as a disgusting book of bullshit. Maybe I'm the one who has it right... considering the evidence behind my interpretations, I think that there is a better chance that I am right, and you're just plain wrong.

We'll see shortly.

I doubt that very seriously. You think some silly rapture is gonna happen soon? You're part of a huge problem! You're waiting for a ridiculous prophesy to be fulfilled, meanwhile, the environment is struggling to sustain an ever growing population and very few people care about it, because they think they're so awesome that Jesus is gonna come back and get them in their lifetimes. (As did every generation since 300 BC)

But it's okay, you just sit there and don't think about reality. You're not very good at it anyway. If you're correct, they won't have to throw me in the lake of fire. I'll jump in myself. Your god is a really fucked up asshole.

First of all I was not talking about a rapture, it is death I'm talking about, these fragile bodies will soon be worm food. Second I do not believe in a rapture because the scriptures do not speak of one nor do they even suggest it. I do not know if Christ will be back in my life time nor even the next generation, I do know this He will return and then everyone will see the truth.

(November 21, 2011 at 12:00 am)Godschild Wrote: I'm sorry that you have not come to know, there is always hope though nothing is impossible with God.

Nothing is impossible with God? Really? Because I know a really good guy, devout Christian, loves god.... He's prayed and prayed but he is still missing his left arm. Couldn't God grow his arm back? Doesn't he love this guy and want him to have his arm back? You're god isn't even real. If he is, he's terribly cruel.

Quote:First of all I was not talking about a rapture, it is death I'm talking about, these fragile bodies will soon be worm food. Second I do not believe in a rapture because the scriptures do not speak of one nor do they even suggest it. I do not know if Christ will be back in my life time nor even the next generation, I do know this He will return and then everyone will see the truth.

The scriptures do talk about it. There is a whole book dedicated to it. Are you sure you've read it?

(November 21, 2011 at 12:00 am)Godschild Wrote:

(November 18, 2011 at 4:20 am)ElDinero Wrote: Tack, you should feel ashamed of yourself for giving this nimrod kudos for that drivel. You don't KNOW anything, GC.

Tack understands what, no he knows what I also know, just because it escapes you at the moment does not mean what we know is not absolutely true. I'm sorry that you have not come to know, there is always hope though nothing is impossible with God.

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Nothing is impossible, except me drinking and fucking my way through heaven, according to you. Looks like something is impossible after all.

Also: Preaching.

(November 20, 2011 at 2:52 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is a reason for God to exist tho', it reasonably follows. There is no reason to suppose atheism, it is merely a denial of the reasoning.

I am hoping that this will make sense as I get more and more drunk.