It occurs to me that now that Trump has demonstrated the total disregard he has to classified information, he is unsafe with anything he knows. Who knows what secrets are in his head? He literally cannot be trusted to interact with another human being for the rest of his life. He should be put away in solitary or with other people with life terms. Otherwise, he's a walking, talking security threat just with what's in his head combined with his untrustworthiness.

We created a national security nightmare the day we made this guy President.

(September 7, 2022 at 4:28 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 7, 2022 at 12:37 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: The latest revelation is that documents related to an ally's nuclear capabilities were found at the beach house at Mar-A-Lago. Only the President and a handful of national security people are supposed to have access to it.

Isn't this utterly ridiculous at this point? Why is this man walking around free? What is it going to take to arrest him? Are they waiting for him to advertise the nuclear codes on Craig's List? Trump and whichever of his cronies that have knowledge of this should be in a government dungeon somewhere undergoing water boarding.

Jesus Christ, DOJ! ARREST TRUMP!

He unconsciously declassified all those documents while en route to Florida while aboard Air Force One.

(September 7, 2022 at 8:08 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: It occurs to me that now that Trump has demonstrated the total disregard he has to classified information, he is unsafe with anything he knows. Who knows what secrets are in his head? He literally cannot be trusted to interact with another human being for the rest of his life. He should be put away in solitary or with other people with life terms. Otherwise, he's a walking, talking security threat just with what's in his head combined with his untrustworthiness.

We created a national security nightmare the day we made this guy President.

What’s a bigger national security nightmare, giving away a bunch of secrets with a finite shelf life, or making the domestic politics violently adversarial for the foreseeable future, and international order divided into overtly hostile camps unable to attempt deal with ever rising problems that will afflict us for centuries?

Trump defecting to Russia with every secret he ever learned while president will be but a minor and transient national security threat compared to long lasting damage a GOP that pushed him to the fore and kept him there can do.

(September 7, 2022 at 10:58 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 7, 2022 at 8:08 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: It occurs to me that now that Trump has demonstrated the total disregard he has to classified information, he is unsafe with anything he knows. Who knows what secrets are in his head? He literally cannot be trusted to interact with another human being for the rest of his life. He should be put away in solitary or with other people with life terms. Otherwise, he's a walking, talking security threat just with what's in his head combined with his untrustworthiness.

We created a national security nightmare the day we made this guy President.

What’s a bigger national security nightmare, giving away a bunch of secrets with a finite shelf life, or making the domestic politics violently adversarial for the foreseeable future, and international order divided into overtly hostile camps unable to attempt deal with ever rising problems that will afflict us for centuries?

Trump defecting to Russia with every secret he ever learned while president will be but a minor and transient national security threat compared to long lasting damage a GOP that pushed him to the fore and kept him there can do.

Are you cleared to the necessary level, and have a need to know the secrets alleged to have been divulged, and the perishability thereof? Neither you nor I, not being privy to what secrets he has compromised, are qualified to determine this. Though I will say, he ought to be shot for what he's done, on general principles.

(September 7, 2022 at 10:58 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 7, 2022 at 8:08 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: It occurs to me that now that Trump has demonstrated the total disregard he has to classified information, he is unsafe with anything he knows. Who knows what secrets are in his head? He literally cannot be trusted to interact with another human being for the rest of his life. He should be put away in solitary or with other people with life terms. Otherwise, he's a walking, talking security threat just with what's in his head combined with his untrustworthiness.

We created a national security nightmare the day we made this guy President.

What’s a bigger national security nightmare, giving away a bunch of secrets with a finite shelf life, or making the domestic politics violently adversarial for the foreseeable future, and international order divided into overtly hostile camps unable to attempt deal with ever rising problems that will afflict us for centuries?

Many - perhaps most - national security secrets have a short shelf life. If Trump is going to be a classified information dealer, he's obviously going to focus on those secrets with a long shelf life because those will bring the highest return.

None of us outside of government knows what he has. We just know that he has demonstrated a complete lack of loyalty to the United States regarding classified information. This is likely a dangerous situation.

He in principle can give away no secrets with long shelf life.    The reason is simple.   shelve life of any secret fundamentally depends on how long it’s original owner fails to suspect it has been compromised.   So the fact that we strongly suspects he may have given it away immediately and drastically shortens the shelf life of the secret he is in position to compromise to a few days, months, or at most a few years if it concerns fundamental technical aspects that are extremely difficult to change.

Thus the cost of the undisguised betrayal lies largely in the cost of making the secret thus compromised obsolete.

So the average amount of damage trump can do by defecting to Russia would be vastly less, on a per secret basis,  than what a undiscovered traitor in a sensitive position giving away secrets over years, whose betrayal remains undiscovered for a long time while those he betrayed the secrets to made the maximum amount of unrecognized use of the secret, could do.

Getting the GOP darling trump to defect to a hostile country in order to destroy the GOP would be one of the cheapest ways to enhance wholistic national security for the next 25-50 years.