(April 30, 2023 at 2:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 30, 2023 at 1:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So, a 25 year old man having sex with a 12 year old female wouldn’t be considered sexual abuse?

Boru

not if the societal convention in force expects the 12 year old female to assume substantially similar responsibilities as 25 year old females.

I was thinking specifically of Jewish societies. A girl becomes bat mitzvah at the age of 12. At that point, she is able to ‘participate in all areas of Jewish community life to the same extent as adults’. Since marriage is an integral part of Jewish community life, I would expect you to have no objection to a man of 25 (or 40 or 70) years of age wedding and bedding a 12 year old girl.

Boru

(April 30, 2023 at 2:13 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 30, 2023 at 1:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The doesn’t sound plausible. If there are just two magnitude 5.0 quakes in a decade, there would have to be a 10.0+ magnitude quake in the same decade.

Boru

Earthquake magnitudes are exponential.   a magnitude 5.2 earthquake would release as much energy as 2 magnitude 5.0 earthquakes.   a magnitude 6 earthquake would release 32 times as much energy as a magnitude 5 earthquake,  and a magnitude 9 earthquake will release nearly an million times as much energy as an magnitude 5 earthquake.

There can be no magnitude 10 earthquake, at least not if the earthquake is caused by fault movements driven by internal forces of the earth, and not by an asteroid impact.     This is because the strength of earth rocks puts an upper limit on how much energy can be stored in faults on earth before the fault has to rupture and release the energy.

I didn’t really need a lecture on seismology, but thanks all the same. 

Even taking into account the exponential nature of earthquake magnitudes, it still seems implausible. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of quakes every year. For a single quake to expend more energy than all those others, it would have to be a planet-buster.

I’m willing to retract my objection if you can provide a source.

Boru

(April 30, 2023 at 3:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 30, 2023 at 2:13 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Earthquake magnitudes are exponential.   a magnitude 5.2 earthquake would release as much energy as 2 magnitude 5.0 earthquakes.   a magnitude 6 earthquake would release 32 times as much energy as a magnitude 5 earthquake,  and a magnitude 9 earthquake will release nearly an million times as much energy as an magnitude 5 earthquake.

There can be no magnitude 10 earthquake, at least not if the earthquake is caused by fault movements driven by internal forces of the earth, and not by an asteroid impact.     This is because the strength of earth rocks puts an upper limit on how much energy can be stored in faults on earth before the fault has to rupture and release the energy.

I didn’t really need a lecture on seismology, but thanks all the same. 

Even taking into account the exponential nature of earthquake magnitudes, it still seems implausible. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of quakes every year. For a single quake to expend more energy than all those others, it would have to be a planet-buster.

I’m willing to retract my objection if you can provide a source.

Boru

if you had profited from the lecture then you should be able to look up the number of earthquakes of each magnitude that occurs in a decade, compute and add up the total relative energies of all but the largest one, and see for yourself if what i said was true.

(April 30, 2023 at 3:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 30, 2023 at 2:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: not if the societal convention in force expects the 12 year old female to assume substantially similar responsibilities as 25 year old females.

I was thinking specifically of Jewish societies. A girl becomes bat mitzvah at the age of 12. At that point, she is able to ‘participate in all areas of Jewish community life to the same extent as adults’. Since marriage is an integral part of Jewish community life, I would expect you to have no objection to a man of 25 (or 40 or 70) years of age wedding and bedding a 12 year old girl.

Boru

if “participate in all areas of Jewish community life to the same extent as adults” is not just an empty recitation, but an actual fact in the jewish community, and the jewish community in question has not submitted to others laws as might be in force in any larger society of which they might be a part, then I would not think i can have any particular criticism of girls in that society having sex at 12 other than a general criticism of the tradition that girls of 12 participate in all aspect of community life.

(April 30, 2023 at 3:54 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 30, 2023 at 3:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I didn’t really need a lecture on seismology, but thanks all the same. 

Even taking into account the exponential nature of earthquake magnitudes, it still seems implausible. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of quakes every year. For a single quake to expend more energy than all those others, it would have to be a planet-buster.

I’m willing to retract my objection if you can provide a source.

Boru

if you had profited from the lecture then you should be able to look up the number of earthquakes of each magnitude that occurs in a decade, compute and add up the total relative energies of all but the largest one, and see for yourself if what i said was true.

So, no source, then. Okey dokey.

Boru

there are sources,  and they are trivial to find with a single google search, but i can’t be bothered to give them to you because after betraying that you know nearly nothing about earthquakes by suggesting it takes a magnitude 10+ earthquakes to equal 2 magnitude 5 earthquake, you double down on the bluster instead of absorbing why that is not so, and why a single magnitude 9 earthquake embodies more energies than literally millions of individually significant earthquakes so as to make what i say plausible.

There is a difference between country-fried steak and chicken-fried steak.

the famed architect Frank Lloyd Wright designed the Falling Water House, subsequently judged by the American Institute of Architects to be the “all-time best work of American architecture” and made a World Heritage Site by the UN,  in 3 hours while giving a lecture to his apprentices.

That the American Institute of Architects should accord the Falling Water House such a singular honor says something because Wright spent his entire professional career denigrating, attacking and otherwise making enemies at the American Institute of Architects.

(April 30, 2023 at 4:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: there are sources,  and they are trivial to find with a single google search, but i can’t be bothered to give them to you because after betraying that you know nearly nothing about earthquakes by suggesting it takes a magnitude 10+ earthquakes to equal 2 magnitude 5 earthquake, you double down on the bluster instead of absorbing why that is not so, and why a single magnitude 9 earthquake embodies more energies than literally millions of individually significant earthquakes so as to make what i say plausible.

My apologies: I took your advice and did the numbers. You’re completely correct. Mea culpa.

Boru

Frank Lloyd Wright, rated in an informal poll by American Institute of Architects as the “greatest American Architect of all time”, designed and build over 500 buildings during his life time. Yet he made more money as an art dealer in Japanese prints than he did as an architect. His importance as an art dealer wasn’t even suspected until 30 years after his death, when the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York re-discovered a stack of paperwork showing an F.L.Wright sold them some of most important items in its japanese art collection.