(June 24, 2023 at 6:51 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:So only at the moment of birth does the infant magically become human in your books and therefore have the rights prescribed to other humans.

I never claimed it wasn't human. I claimed it doesn't matter as its humanity present or absent does not change the fact it has no right to live inside someone against their will. 

Quote: Despite the fact that the child in the mother's womb can recognize his or her mother's voice and become calmed by that same voice, meaning it has emotions while in the womb.

It's presence of absence of emotions does not change the fact it has no right to live inside someone against their will. 

Quote:But forgo that, its not a human being, its just a pathetic pile of loose cells in your books that doesn't deserve to live because its mother believes it to be a blemish on her personhood.

Again its humanity present or absent does not change the fact it has no right to live inside someone against their will. 

Quote: What happened to the saying 'you do the crime you do the time?' sex makes babies, and you are so depraved you'd rather advocate for the murder of an infant who yearns to hear his mother's voice just because it is in the womb.

Sex shouldn't be punished nor should pregnancy be a punishment and pregnancy should not be a forced state. Believing it should be that's a depraved state of mind. 

Quote: How does that make you any different than the babylonians that splayed the 1 year old's brains all over the walls of Jerusalem?

One was the mass murder of infants the other is not forcing someone to remain pregnant against their will. 

Quote: It is incapable of caring for itself, it couldn't survive on its own without its mother, the 1 year old and the infant in the womb, 

Once again unless that infant is inside the mother against her will these two states are not the same. 

Quote:but somehow you convince yourself that this SOUL that has fears and is able to be comforted ought to be silenced because its just a 'fetus' not an 'infant' yet it is indeed an infant even in the mother's womb, for if you were standing near the mother while she was pregnant that infant could hear you advocate to tear it asunder and to get rid of it as though it were some filthy scum on the bottom of your foot.

Once again it's the ability to feel fear that does not change the fact it has no right to live inside someone against their will. 

Quote:You have no respect for life, for God, for women, for children, you sir are a murderer a depraved human being who lusts after the flesh in the putrid carnality of your soul and you are so unwilling to sacrifice your desire for pleasure without consequence that you would advocate truly from the bottom of your heart to kill an infant as it cries in its mother's womb. This infant that is still in the womb which grasps this man's finger is not at all aware of its surroundings. It should perish because you want to fuck a woman without a condom or a vasectomy, because you just want to unload yourself and glorify in the pleasures of the flesh over the works of the Spirit.

I have respect for the right of people to not be forced to be pregnant against their will. I respect the right of people to freely be able to express sexual freedom without pregnancy being used as a weapon against them. If people want to use  condoms  or get a vasectomy that's their choice (one I advocate for as I got one myself) but if not that's also their choice the same as the state pregnancy should ALWAYS be a choice and one totally separate from the choice to have sex. So all your ranting is empty

To damn bad son, that infant is in its natural environment where nature intended it to be, the womb evolved to be such to contain life within it, when you say it has no right you are railing against billions of years of evolution saying that baby has every right to be where it naturally should be, its sad truly that the moment humanity had the ability to cut life from the womb, it did so to avoid their shame, not because 'it didn't have the right' RIGHTS mind you which nature so graciously endowed them with otherwise if nature felt it didn't have the right to be in the womb it would never have evolved the womb to begin with.

Just because you say 'it doesn't have the right' seems to make you think invalidates all the points I brought up, just like when Christians say 'its in the Bible!' and you rail against them for saying that, 'it doesn't have the right' is your bible something which is ONLY TRUE because YOU SAID SO. That sir is circular logic, which proves you lost the argument.

And FYI 98% of women invited that life into their womb willingly, those are the consequences of sex, you sir are a man who wants to be free of consequences so you got a vasectomy, (free of sexual consequences) and became an atheist (free of moral consequences) you ditched the idea of Sin altogether yet tell me sir, how is it not a SIN for a mother to kill her child? Yes it is in the womb, but that is STILL HER CHILD. What you advocate is the destruction of the bonds between a mother and her children, how is that not sinful?

When a Rapist holds down a woman to force himself unto because the act of violating a woman and forcing her to live with what they inflicted on her because the thought of them remembering what they did to them turns them on. How is that not a Sin?

You let Sin into your heart and you are a Lost Soul. I'll be praying that one day you will not PROFANE LOVE. THANK YOU.

Quote:YES! YESSS!!! FEEL THE DEFEAT FLOW OVER YOU! CALL ME WHAT YOU WILL BUT YOU KNOW YOU LOST!! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Friend you lost before you even got here. And again writing in all caps does not change that.

Your therapist is your friend.

Boru

(June 24, 2023 at 7:17 am)brewer Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 6:11 am)Authari Wrote: YES! YESSS!!! FEEL THE DEFEAT FLOW OVER YOU! CALL ME WHAT YOU WILL BUT YOU KNOW YOU LOST!! MUAHAHAHAHA!

When will you leave your parents basement?

I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery. But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child, the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

(June 24, 2023 at 7:25 am)Authari Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 7:17 am)brewer Wrote: When will you leave your parents basement?

I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery. But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child, the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

So you and your moms prayers for her to get better isn’t working?

(June 24, 2023 at 7:25 am)Authari Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 7:17 am)brewer Wrote: When will you leave your parents basement?

I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery. But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child, the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

What sort of work do you do?

Boru

Quote:To damn bad son, 

Yes too bad for you that nothing grants it the right to live in her body. 

Quote:that infant is in its natural environment where nature intended it to be, 

Nope,  it's got to be there only if the mother wills it. Otherwise, she has every right to kick it out. Nothing in nature grants entitles it to live there. 

Quote:the womb evolved to be such to contain life within it, when you say it has no right you are railing against billions of years of evolution saying that baby has every right to be where it naturally should be,

Whether the womb evolved for a certain function in no way grants it the right to stay there and in no way denies the woman the right to remove it from her body. 

Quote: its sad truly that the moment humanity had the ability to cut life from the womb, 

Nope, it's wonderful women have bodily rights and are not enslaved to their biology as you seem to want it. 

Quote:it did so to avoid their shame, not because 'it didn't have the right' RIGHTS mind you which nature so graciously endowed them with otherwise if nature felt it didn't have the right to be in the womb it would never have evolved the womb to begin with.

There is nothing about the evolution of the womb that endows it with the right to be there and denies the women the right to remove it. And it has nothing to do with shame and everything to do with dignity and choice. 

Quote:Just because you say 'it doesn't have the right' seems to make you think invalidates all the points I brought up, just like when Christians say 'its in the Bible!' and you rail against them for saying that, 'it doesn't have the right' is your bible something which is ONLY TRUE because YOU SAID SO. That sir is circular logic, which proves you lost the argument.

Actually, it does invalidate all your points and to date, you have not provided a single relevant counter aside from assertions and nothing I have said is circular in the slightest so this is a false comparison. So no you have lost the argument in every way you could. Its ontological state does not grant it the right to live inside someone else this is not a circular claim and you have yet to even come close to countering it. 

Quote:And FYI 98% of women invited that life into their womb willingly, those are the consequences of sex, you sir are a man who wants to be free of consequences so you got a vasectomy, (free of sexual consequences) and became an atheist (free of moral consequences) you ditched the idea of Sin altogether yet tell me sir, how is it not a SIN for a mother to kill her child? Yes it is in the womb, but that is STILL HER CHILD. What you advocate is the destruction of the bonds between a mother and her children, how is that not sinful?

No one invited that life anywhere and even if they did they have every right to change their mind. But sex is not an invitation to be pregnant nor is there any reason they should remain so if they don't want to. And no I got a vasectomy because my family has a disposition toward a certain inheritable illness and I didn't think it was right to have children because I would pass it on. I became an atheist because I didn't find religious claims convincing and I more than believe in moral consequences just not to imaginary wizards in the sky. And it's not a sin (because sins are imaginary) to choose not to remain pregnant and it's her womb and she has every right to remove it from her womb. The only thing I advocate for is choice. Nothing more and nothing less.

Quote:When a Rapist holds down a woman to force himself unto because the act of violating a woman and forcing her to live with what they inflicted on her because the thought of them remembering what they did to them turns them on. How is that not a Sin?

I never said that wasn't bad. I have no idea what your point is here. My point was killing rapists will just back them into a corner and make them more violent. 

Quote:You let Sin into your heart and you are a Lost Soul. I'll be praying that one day you will not PROFANE LOVE. THANK YOU.

You let irrationality into your brain and are a lost soul. I'll think for you and one day you might not profane the rights of women ...

(June 24, 2023 at 7:25 am)Authari Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 7:17 am)brewer Wrote: When will you leave your parents basement?

I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery. But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child, the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

I’m guessing your dad abandoned you and your mom?

Or did god kill your father off?

Quote:I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. 

If someone wants to take care of their parents that's fine but no adult should expect anyone else to take care of them. 

Quote:I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery.

Old-person homes are hardly awful places (depending on the place) and for many, they are a better option. So this is neither a virtue nor a shame. 

Quote: But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child,

If they wanted to abort that was their choice and again it's not a sign of an ungrateful child to not take care of their aging parents. It's fine if someone chooses to do this but if they don't there is no shame in it. 

Quote:the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

Again not taking care of your parents is not equal to pissing on their graves. If someone wants to take care of their parents that's fine but no adult should expect anyone else to take care of them.


Your attempts at virtue signaling and shaming other people ill conceived

(June 24, 2023 at 8:14 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(June 24, 2023 at 7:25 am)Authari Wrote: I work full time to provide for me and my disabled mother who isn't collecting disability, it is actually preparing me for fatherhood, taking care of my mother. But that's something you'd probably never do in a million years, which is taking care of your aging parents. I'm glad to know that those who advocate for abortions are also the ones who would put their parents in an old person's home to let them live out the rest of their days in misery. But hey maybe they should have just had an abortion instead of raising such an ungrateful child, the end result would have been the same for them and at least they'd have more money throughout their lives instead of wasting it on someone who will piss on their graves.

I’m guessing your dad abandoned you and your mom?

Or did god kill your father off?

Okay that's a bit much