(September 12, 2023 at 5:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 12, 2023 at 4:48 am)WinterHold Wrote: ? looks like this person never read this verse:



Are you sure this person read the Quran before?

I'm sure he has. The Sura you quoted makes an exception for 'those of them who act unjustly'. It's pretty clear that the sheikh in question believes that Jews act unjustly.

Boru

But evidence states that only a subset of Jews act unjustly.
So my question to him still stands. Is he sure he grasps the full meaning?

(September 13, 2023 at 2:10 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(September 12, 2023 at 5:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm sure he has. The Sura you quoted makes an exception for 'those of them who act unjustly'. It's pretty clear that the sheikh in question believes that Jews act unjustly.

Boru

But evidence states that only a subset of Jews act unjustly.
So my question to him still stands. Is he sure he grasps the full meaning?

When he said, "All spears should be directed at the Jews, at the enemies of Allah, the nation that was cursed in Allah's book. Allah has described them as apes and pigs, the calf-worshipers, idol-worshipers…" I have to wonder if Allah grasps the full meaning of the Sura.

(September 13, 2023 at 9:00 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(September 13, 2023 at 2:10 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But evidence states that only a subset of Jews act unjustly.
So my question to him still stands. Is he sure he grasps the full meaning?

When he said, "All spears should be directed at the Jews, at the enemies of Allah, the nation that was cursed in Allah's book. Allah has described them as apes and pigs, the calf-worshipers, idol-worshipers…" I have to wonder if Allah grasps the full meaning of the Sura.

His motives are his own; actually a more broad verse would be:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.com/5?startingVerse=82

(82) You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.

and also:

Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.com/5?startingVerse=64

(64) And the Jews said, “Allah’s hand is shackled.” Shackled are their hands, and they were cursed for what they said! Rather, both His hands are outstretched; He spends as He wills. And most surely, what was sent down to yousg from your Lord will increase many of them in exceeding all limits and in denial. And We cast between them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they kindle a fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. And they rush about in the land spreading corruption, and Allah does not love corrupters.

God also spoke about a portion of Jews that were cursed into monkeys:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2?startingVerse=65

You are already aware of those of you who broke the Sabbath. We said to them, “Be disgraced apes!”1

So, how come this guy generalized on all Jews to be monkeys? the verse spoke only about the people who broke the Sabbath, it is very well known that God uses this way of penalty that is "devolution" of species; even humans can now cause such curses with Radiations and other means (look what the Americans did to the Japanese with the Hiroshima nuke).

So no, this guy obviously doesn't understand the Quran probably, or very angry because of the Nazi-like Zionist crimes.

To correct him I would say : "Israelis, remember how God cursed a portion of your ancestors via devolution into apes when they broke the Sabbath, remember too what happened to Hitler when he massacred your kin, the same can happen to you, Radiations of atomic weapons can curse you, a foreign invasion or a local revolution can destroy your Kingdom, just like WW2 destroyed Nazi Germany".

(September 14, 2023 at 4:36 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(September 13, 2023 at 9:00 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: When he said, "All spears should be directed at the Jews, at the enemies of Allah, the nation that was cursed in Allah's book. Allah has described them as apes and pigs, the calf-worshipers, idol-worshipers…" I have to wonder if Allah grasps the full meaning of the Sura.

His motives are his own; actually a more broad verse would be:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.com/5?startingVerse=82

(82) You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant.

and also:

Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.com/5?startingVerse=64

(64) And the Jews said, “Allah’s hand is shackled.” Shackled are their hands, and they were cursed for what they said! Rather, both His hands are outstretched; He spends as He wills. And most surely, what was sent down to yousg from your Lord will increase many of them in exceeding all limits and in denial. And We cast between them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they kindle a fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. And they rush about in the land spreading corruption, and Allah does not love corrupters.

God also spoke about a portion of Jews that were cursed into  monkeys:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2?startingVerse=65

You are already aware of those of you who broke the Sabbath. We said to them, “Be disgraced apes!”1

So, how come this guy generalized on all Jews to be monkeys? the verse spoke only about the people who broke the Sabbath, it is very well known that God uses this way of penalty that is "devolution" of species; even humans can now cause such curses with Radiations and other means (look what the Americans did to the Japanese with the Hiroshima nuke).

So no, this guy obviously doesn't understand the Quran probably, or very angry because of the Nazi-like Zionist crimes.

To correct him I would say : "Israelis, remember how God cursed a portion of your ancestors via devolution into apes when they broke the Sabbath, remember too what happened to Hitler when he massacred your kin, the same can happen to you, Radiations of atomic weapons can curse you, a foreign invasion or a local revolution can destroy your Kingdom, just like WW2 destroyed Nazi Germany".

What with all of your labeling of all Jews as radical Zionists, this is kinda funny.

Boru

What planet do you live on winter? Cause it sure ain't Earth.