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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 10:55 am
(January 7, 2024 at 10:31 am)JJoseph Wrote: (January 7, 2024 at 10:24 am)no one Wrote: This shit does not do anything, asshole. Your stupid fucking god is make believe.
I am still waiting on that proof. Show me that a god exists, then prove it is the stupid god your asinine ass worships.
Foul Mouthed Fool, your Atheism is the make believe Proposition. You can keep believing the Universe created itself out of nothing if you want.
Strange that only universes have that property, of beginning to exist because of absolutely nothing. Why not horses, houses and everything else? Lol.
I am trying to help you go to Heaven, but you insist on wanting to go to Hell. What more can then be done for you? Absolutely nothing.
Your god is the one who raped a young virgin and knocked her up when it could have just proofed itself as its pretend son, right?
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 11:01 am
We need to stop feeding JJ.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 11:45 am
I think it’s called ‘The Kalam Cosmological Argument’ because it’s a fucking kalamity.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 12:10 pm
(January 7, 2024 at 10:20 am)JJoseph Wrote: Nope, that was just a bit of HEARTFELT PASSION. It's like someone soon going to face an Examination, but not preparing properly for it. That's what I was trying to do there, to wake you up so that you'll be ready for Eternity, into which you may pass at any moment. You want Pure Logic, let's get back to the OP.
Since Angrboda quoted Hume:
Quote:If we see a house,… we conclude, with the greatest certainty, that it had an architect or builder because this is precisely that species of effect which we have experienced to proceed from that species of cause. But surely you will not affirm that the universe bears such a resemblance to a house that we can with the same certainty infer a similar cause, or that the analogy is here entire and perfect (Hume, Dialogues, Part II).
No, I will not argue that, Mr. Hume. But the very purpose of an analogy is that not everything is identical between the analogy and the actuality. In many ways, the Universe demonstrates or displays signs of Intelligent Design - of which, updated for Modern Science, we would use DNA - see Dr. Meyer and Signature in the Cell on that, and Fine-Tuning, see Roger Penrose, and Sir Martin Rees on that - hence it is reasonable to infer our Universe is the product of Intelligent Design, i.e. of an Intelligent Designer who loves us and who, humanly speaking, went through great difficulties to ensure our existence/survival.
So you're saying that DNA resembles a man-made creation. Which one?
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 12:43 pm
JJoseph Wrote:see Dr. Meyer and Signature in the Cell on that, and Fine-Tuning, see Roger Penrose, and Sir Martin Rees on that
You see them. Maybe they will teach you about evolution because all of them are proponents of evolution and claim that humans are apes.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 12:51 pm
(January 6, 2024 at 4:23 am)JJoseph Wrote: Hi all. I'm curious if any of you can refute the Kalam cosmological argument for God's existence
Step 1: Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
E.g. Houses, Trees, Planets etc begin to exist and have a cause. So does the Universe, which brings us to Step 2.
Step 2: The Universe began to exist.
This step is also proven by mathematical logic, has empirical confirmation in the Big Bang Theory etc.
Step 3: Therefore, the Universe has a cause.
The conclusion logically follows from the preceding premises. Dr. Craig occasionally goes for a further step.
Step 4: Therefore, an Eternal Creator of the Universe exists, that brought the Universe into existence from nothing.
This sounds very much like the traditional Creator God of classical Judeo-Christian Revelation? Any thoughts on the subject?
Regards,
Joseph.
There's the special pleading between your first and second claims. There's also the non sequitur between claims three and four.
As an aside, you cannot argue anything into existence. If your god is so well hidden he must be argued into reality by such shitty argumentation, he's obviously not worthy of your worship.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 1:18 pm
Jenius Joseph has a difficult time with learning, thinking, understanding, reasoning, grasping, interpreting, little Joey, isn't as bright as Patrick Starr.
Who is certainly real. I've seen him. I have watched the Bikini Bottom Chronicles.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 1:20 pm
(January 7, 2024 at 12:10 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (January 7, 2024 at 10:20 am)JJoseph Wrote: Nope, that was just a bit of HEARTFELT PASSION. It's like someone soon going to face an Examination, but not preparing properly for it. That's what I was trying to do there, to wake you up so that you'll be ready for Eternity, into which you may pass at any moment. You want Pure Logic, let's get back to the OP.
Since Angrboda quoted Hume:
No, I will not argue that, Mr. Hume. But the very purpose of an analogy is that not everything is identical between the analogy and the actuality. In many ways, the Universe demonstrates or displays signs of Intelligent Design - of which, updated for Modern Science, we would use DNA - see Dr. Meyer and Signature in the Cell on that, and Fine-Tuning, see Roger Penrose, and Sir Martin Rees on that - hence it is reasonable to infer our Universe is the product of Intelligent Design, i.e. of an Intelligent Designer who loves us and who, humanly speaking, went through great difficulties to ensure our existence/survival.
So you're saying that DNA resembles a man-made creation. Which one?
Signature in the Cell would answer that question, Angrboda. Wiki: "Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design is a 2009 book about intelligent design by philosopher and intelligent design advocate Stephen C. Meyer."
Have you read it, or do you want me to summarize the arguments? Briefly, the Genetic Code in DNA is evidence/proof of a Designing Intelligence, the same as "Welcome to Mars" leaflets, if known not to come from human beings, would be proof of Intelligent Life on Mars, because Language itself is a Code, one of the most basic forms of a Code, that conveys information. This argument, and others, are developed in depth by Dr. Meyer.
And, Fake Messiah, it is not that I don't know what Evolution claims. I know it very well, and that's why I reject it. Since I simply lack a belief in the Theory of Evolution, I don't have to prove anything, according to your own Atheist principles. Why don't you first of all state the Evolutionist Belief, and then offer the Proof of that Belief? Which Ape exactly was the "Uncle" to both Human Beings and Chimpanzees? Why, if we're allegedly "cousins" with today's Chimpanzees, are we unable to breed with them, as Monkey-boy Darwin's theory would imply we can. We did not come from Apes, that is a Darwinist Sophism intelligently but cruelly designed by those who hate you and want you to believe you are Monkeys and born of Monkeys so that your thoughts no longer arise to God and to Heaven. I am aware many of the Scientists I cite are ID Theorists, that is true.
Darwin was also a Vicious White Racist, and his Theory provides a "scientific" justification for Racism, just like he himself was a Vicious Racist.
Quote:As an aside, you cannot argue anything into existence.
That is true. But many theorems are not immediately evident as true, e.g. Pythagoras' Theorem, but become evident once some axioms are laid down, and the proof is derived from them.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 1:21 pm
(January 7, 2024 at 1:18 pm)no one Wrote: Jenius Joseph has a difficult time with learning, thinking, understanding, reasoning, grasping, interpreting, little Joey, isn't as bright as Patrick Starr.
Who is certainly real. I've seen him. I have watched the Bikini Bottom Chronicles.
What does that matter so long as he can assure himself that he fits in which the dumber and more ignorant 96% of population.
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RE: The Kalam Cosmological argument.
January 7, 2024 at 1:24 pm
Joey, have you attempted to put that crack pipe down?
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