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The Yearly Haj Pilgrimage in Mekkah
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The Yearly Haj Pilgrimage in Mekkah
I feel this urge inside of me to react to this dreadful event. If you are watching the news you might have heard that some 2000 people have died in the Muslim Pilgrimage season this year mostly due to the fact that Saudi authorities tolerated many unregistered pilgrims who had no AC accommodation and ended up killing themselves trying to walk a 20 km distance toward mount Ararat in temperatures above 125 degree Fahrenheit.
 
I’m not going to go into the science of this but most of these people have died like the illegal migrants trying to reach their dreams by crossing the Chihuahua Desert (who are also dying mostly of dehydration). So this event is a form of climate denialism in a way.
 
What happens is that even if you go back to relatively closer periods like the beginning of the the 00’s, such scorching temperatures did not exist. There were still deaths in every Haj season but that was mainly due to mismanagement etc. I did spend several summers in Syria in the late 90’s. We had no AC, only a limestone building and a swimming pool and it wasn’t that bad if you stayed indoor during the hottest parts of the day. The same goes for places like Baghdad, Koweit City, or even Riyadh. Riyadh is actually built on an Oasis. In the times when climate change wasn’t as obvious as today, when there was no such urbanization. People used to cool down with natural methods like wind towers for instance. It really wasn’t that bad. + In the evening, you had cold air coming from the desert (I experienced that in Aleppo in the 90’s. people were going out at night – That’s how Arabs manage those heats and I remember taking a jacket or a sweat shirt when I went to take a walk in the city).
 
So times have changed now. That’s my first point here. If I was the authority here I would spread all of those pilgrims to the cooler part of the year. Issuing Haj permits in the hottest months only to people between 25 and 50 years of age who are advanced sports practitioners. All the rest will have to come between September and May. And I’m sure many scholars would agree with me because that’s our new reality now.
 
But the reason why I opened this thread is more spiritual. See I believe in the importance of pilgrimage of all sorts. It is good to travel long distances and to finally get to those “spiritual” places where you can visit the place in which your favorite saint has lived or one of the great teachers has been buried etc. There are many such trajectories in the Western Parts of Europe. In Spain you get to hike for a week or so, staying in tents or in one of those simple yet beautiful hostels (by yourself or with a few friends). You get to enjoy nature, be alone with your own thoughts, make a revision of the life you lived so far or whatever, than you get to this place where you make a small offering, comply to a ritual, do some prayer whatever.
The idea here is that there has to be some loneliness and calm to allow some form of introspection. Not huge crowds. I believe in the energy of those places. I also believe that this energy is disrupted wherever there is a too important number of unconscious people. So the benefit will be smaller.
 
Several people that I know did this Haj thing. I’m happy for them. The Secularist Major of Istanbul (whom I support) also did that trip in the “Umrah” form. (They call it Umrah if you refuse to do it in the scorching temperatures of June). For the time being, I don’t intend to go there at all. In fact people who go there now are seeing it as a sort of obligation, a mandatory ritual that has to be accomplished by every Muslim because God wants us to do it (even at the cost of our own lives).
 
My approach is so different. In the old days you would travel by train, by boat, on the back of a camel, etc. It was really an adventure of some sort at the end of which you would get to experience this state of “union” of so many different people from so many parts of the world. And as I said, It wasn’t that bad at all. But with 2000 people simply dying because of management (with similar figures every year). I think I’ll pass Smile
 
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RE: The Yearly Haj Pilgrimage in Mekkah
I'll just leave this here:





And, while I can't get confirmation, I've heard that, yes, there have been points in recent history where Mecca has reached that deadly 95-degree Wet Bulb threshold.
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The chief difference between Central American migrants dying and Hajj pilgrims dying is that the pilgrims have been conned into believing that this pilgrimage matters.

Religion-motivated death never takes a holiday.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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In fairness, the migrants are also likely convinced that their trips up north matter, as well. Then again, making it to America probably has more in the way of tangible benefits in this life.
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(June 21, 2024 at 6:17 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: In fairness, the migrants are also likely convinced that their trips up north matter, as well. Then again, making it to America probably has more in the way of tangible benefits in this life.

That’s not fairness at all, since the motivations are completely different. Migrants coming to the US are seeking a better life. The Hajj pilgrims are seeking a better afterlife. If it weren’t for their sham of a bullshit religion, those people would be alive.

Boru
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Ya can't fix stupid and religion creates stupid.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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Darwin, get those awards ready.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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That's because Muslims don't see this as a tragedy, since if they die doing something holy they believe they are going straight to Heaven.

Just like when Jim Caviezel was saying that he knew that if he died making those crucifixion scenes in the movie Passion, he would be going straight to Heaven.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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It was 125°F in the shade at Dhahran in July 1992, when I was flying out of there.

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As the temperatures are moving toward 86 degree in London, iconic palace guards are also collapsing in the heat:
 
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I say it’s the head part of their uniform. The Brits will probably have no choice but to design a summer type of dress for these famous Royal Guards. Sad
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