Clarence Thomas takes aim at a new target: Eliminating OSHA

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has set his sights on eliminating the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday announced which cases it would consider next and which it wouldn't. Among those the court rejected was a case that challenged the authority of OSHA, which sets and enforces standards for health and safety in the workplace.

https://www.aol.com/clarence-thomas-take...23047.html


Reading the federal charter will leave your brain smoking. It's about obliterating the Dept of Labor; division of powers (states rights), attacking interstate commerce.

(July 2, 2024 at 4:26 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(July 2, 2024 at 2:45 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Biden should arrest and imprison the six who asserted Presidential fiat, for undermining democracy as well as being criminally stupid.

Something major needs to be done. It seems to me that this is a national security issue. The USA has long kept its external enemies at bay but we are now being dismantled internally. The nation is literally under attack and Biden has an obligation to act. He is the Commander in Chief and has now been given limitless official power.

(Bold mine)

Actually, he hasn’t. The Court’s decision grants presidents immunity, not authority. This is an important distinction. 

Let’s imagine that Biden, as suggested above, orders the arrest of those six bastards. A case could be made that, Constitutionally, Biden lacks the authority to do this. Since he consciously filled his administration with people who respect the Constitution, those people could, in good conscience, refuse to carry out the order.

Under the SCOTUS decision, Biden would be immune from prosecution for giving the order, but it doesn’t confer the authority to have that order carried out.

Boru

(July 2, 2024 at 4:26 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(July 2, 2024 at 2:45 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Biden should arrest and imprison the six who asserted Presidential fiat, for undermining democracy as well as being criminally stupid.

Something major needs to be done. It seems to me that this is a national security issue. The USA has long kept its external enemies at bay but we are now being dismantled internally. The nation is literally under attack and Biden has an obligation to act. He is the Commander in Chief and has now been given limitless official power.

Potentially an international issue given the US influence within NATO, would a move to overthrow US democracy constitute an Article 5 matter?

(July 3, 2024 at 9:12 am)Mr Greene Wrote:

(July 2, 2024 at 4:26 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Something major needs to be done. It seems to me that this is a national security issue. The USA has long kept its external enemies at bay but we are now being dismantled internally. The nation is literally under attack and Biden has an obligation to act. He is the Commander in Chief and has now been given limitless official power.

Potentially an international issue given the US influence within NATO, would a move to overthrow US democracy constitute an Article 5 matter?

No. Article 5 requires an "armed attack" as the trigger. Our democracy is being dismantled internally, as @AFTT47 notes.

Quote:Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topic...20attacked.

(July 3, 2024 at 11:08 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 3, 2024 at 9:12 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Potentially an international issue given the US influence within NATO, would a move to overthrow US democracy constitute an Article 5 matter?

No. Article 5 requires an "armed attack" as the trigger. Our democracy is being dismantled internally, as @AFTT47 notes.

Quote:Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topic...20attacked.

So they'd have to adopt the same method as 6th January?

(July 3, 2024 at 11:14 am)Mr Greene Wrote:

(July 3, 2024 at 11:08 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: No. Article 5 requires an "armed attack" as the trigger. Our democracy is being dismantled internally, as @AFTT47 notes.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topic...20attacked.

So they'd have to adopt the same method as 6th January?

I doubt that would be a trigger unless it could be proven to be the act of a foreign power.

From the same link above:

Quote:On the evening of 12 September 2001, less than 24 hours after the attacks, the Allies invoked the principle of Article 5. Then NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson subsequently informed the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the Alliance's decision.

The North Atlantic Council – NATO’s principal political decision-making body – agreed that if it determined that the attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it would be regarded as an action covered by Article 5. On 2 October, once the Council had been briefed on the results of investigations into the 9/11 attacks, it determined that they were regarded as an action covered by Article 5.

By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States.

[Emphases added -- Thump]

(July 2, 2024 at 7:44 am)Nanny Wrote: Biden appears to be a lost cause. Welcome to the end of the republic.

That's a lot of weight to put on one debate.

(July 3, 2024 at 3:30 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(July 2, 2024 at 7:44 am)Nanny Wrote: Biden appears to be a lost cause. Welcome to the end of the republic.

That's a lot of weight to put on one debate.

You're much more rational than most of the electorate, Mr A. They're going to run with appearances. One debate can make a splash, rightly or wrongly.

I don't need to listen to a debate to know whom I don't want as president.