(July 6, 2009 at 5:01 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(July 6, 2009 at 4:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The text demands interpretation. This highlights the ludicrousy of forcibly literalist interpretation.

Quite possibly but who is to say YOUR interpretation is right?

Kyu

I don't insist on that Kyu. I only suggest. I'm open to learned interpretation and will revise my opinion accordingly.

(July 6, 2009 at 5:06 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(July 6, 2009 at 5:01 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Quite possibly but who is to say YOUR interpretation is right?

I don't insist on that Kyu. I only suggest. I'm open to learned interpretation and will revise my opinion accordingly.

So will I given the right evidence but until then, despite all your posturing, it means you got nothing ... you believe because you want to believe and that's really all there is to it.

Kyu

No I believe because I have reason to believe. I didn't say I make no interpretation either way, I said I have a POV. This applies to my approach to the whole subject as well. You assert that Christians have to have fixed views. This is obviously untrue.

They're as flexible as hell. No scale can be found to nail the suckers. Gods are made of rubber and convictions made of steel.

(July 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No I believe because I have reason to believe.

No you don't.

Kyu

(July 7, 2009 at 1:55 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(July 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No I believe because I have reason to believe.

No you don't.

Kyu

He does. Like all theists, he believes because he has a deep seated need to believe.

(July 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: They're as flexible as hell. No scale can be found to nail the suckers. Gods are made of rubber and convictions made of steel.

I think you're talking more about your own understanding Rabbit. Although perhaps if you applied those attributes to a non believer you'd be venerating rather than mocking. So perhaps I should be flattered?

(July 6, 2009 at 2:23 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(July 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(July 5, 2009 at 6:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: God tells Moses in Exodus 33 that no one can see him, but only see where he has been. To me this is a definite statement regarding proof of God not being possible.

There are two problems with that answer:

It ("only see where he has been") also quite clearly implies that god leaves a trail of evidence which is what I have been saying to you ad nauseum.

Kyu

There are two more possibilities to this optical phenomenon:
1) A fucking Israeli from the children of Israel who were impatiently awaiting down the Sinai mountain for the end of the interview between God and Moses put a polarized glass window between them so as God could have a good look to his beloved Prophet whereas dear Moses could only devine where his Godliness seats on his throne.
2) The first possibility could be denied as too primitive for that time so that they actually spoke at a video-conference and a technical angel blurried purposely the face of God .

Other solutions are open to be suggested.

(July 7, 2009 at 3:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(July 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: They're as flexible as hell. No scale can be found to nail the suckers. Gods are made of rubber and convictions made of steel.

I think you're talking more about your own understanding Rabbit.

Still mindreading, Fro?

(July 7, 2009 at 3:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Although perhaps if you applied those attributes to a non believer you'd be venerating rather than mocking. So perhaps I should be flattered?

You should be flattered, you've managed to delude yourself with circular reasoning. You can plug in any god concept you like now, any time any place. This is not rubber, it is überrubber. Well done!

(July 7, 2009 at 2:10 am)Darwinian Wrote:

(July 7, 2009 at 1:55 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No you don't.

He does. Like all theists, he believes because he has a deep seated need to believe.

Fair enough but it sure as hell (don't exist) ain't based on logic.

Kyu

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(July 7, 2009 at 12:16 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: There are two more possibilities to this optical phenomenon:
1) A fucking Israeli from the children of Israel who were impatiently awaiting down the Sinai mountain for the end of the interview between God and Moses put a polarized glass window between them so as God could have a good look to his beloved Prophet whereas dear Moses could only devine where his Godliness seats on his throne.
2) The first possibility could be denied as too primitive for that time so that they actually spoke at a video-conference and a technical angel blurried purposely the face of God .

Other solutions are open to be suggested.

Josef ... I'm sure you're a nice guy 'n all that but I have to say this ... you over-intellectualise and everything I have ever seen you write bores me shitless ... the best I ever do is skim over it. Judging by the fact that relatively few people engage with you I'm guessing I'm not the only one so, if the purpose of posting is to inform or communicate, it seems to me you're failing every bit as much as I do when I "go off on one"

Kyu