(January 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm)chipan Wrote: alright i'm done. if anyone has evidence to prove me wrong bring it forward or don't post. i'm sick people not looking at my evidence and saying i'm wrong just because. PROVE ME WRONG OR DON'T SAY I'M WRONG.

There we have it, the Christian trifecta is complete.

Quote:Do you see the paradox in that short sentence, Chip?

Hell, R/S...now you are going to have to explain to him what a paradox is.

(January 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm)chipan Wrote: alright i'm done. if anyone has evidence to prove me wrong bring it forward or don't post. i'm sick people not looking at my evidence and saying i'm wrong just because. PROVE ME WRONG OR DON'T SAY I'M WRONG.

Yep, put your hands over your ears and sing as loud as you can!

Maybe he'll come back when he's smarter?

(January 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Do you see the paradox in that short sentence, Chip?

Hell, R/S...now you are going to have to explain to him what a paradox is.

It probably tipped him over the edge...

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Hey Chip, here's your homework for this week: learn the difference between fact(ual evidence) and compromised opinion.
There will be a test when you come back.

(January 21, 2012 at 10:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Maybe he'll come back when he's smarter?

So that means ...


Good.



I love it when they come in spewing and then, when they realize that no-one's going for their histrionics, back quietly out-only to come in with Answers.com as their relic!

oh Minimalist you wanted to see a picture of the text itself? well the originals were lost and probably destroyed from constant war and pillage and such. there are few documents period preserved so long. the Masoretic Text is not even close to that old and it's not even in one piece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text
the oldest existing hebrew text are the silver amulets. i don't see where you're going with this though. just because the original copies don't exist means the bible is changed? it means they were written in greek? the fact is they are still jewish/hebrew texts and that's why i referenced the hebrew. and just because the originals aren't there doesn't make the remakes any less valid.

and answers.com is not my only reference. i have many others.

(January 22, 2012 at 4:01 am)chipan Wrote: oh Minimalist you wanted to see a picture of the text itself? well the originals were lost and probably destroyed from constant war and pillage and such. there are few documents period preserved so long. the Masoretic Text is not even close to that old and it's not even in one piece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text
the oldest existing hebrew text are the silver amulets. i don't see where you're going with this though. just because the original copies don't exist means the bible is changed? it means they were written in greek? the fact is they are still jewish/hebrew texts and that's why i referenced the hebrew. and just because the originals aren't there doesn't make the remakes any less valid.

and answers.com is not my only reference. i have many others.

Wait a fucking second. Let me see if I understand you here. You seem to be saying that in this case an absence of the originals (evidence) is evidence that there were originals. To say that in more concise terms, you're saying an absence of evidence is evidence. That can't be what your saying otherwise I must insist you're retarded.

chippy Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text
the oldest existing hebrew text are the silver amulets. i don't see where you're going with this though. just because the original copies don't exist means the bible is changed? it means they were written in greek? the fact is they are still jewish/hebrew texts and that's why i referenced the hebrew. and just because the originals aren't there doesn't make the remakes any less valid.

Ummm I don't think you really understood the meaning of the word texts here chippy. You really have no idea what you are talking about and AIG, Conservapedia, and any other religious site is not a very good reference.

Your silver amulets do not confirm "the bible" (as far as I understand it) just belief, just like the findings of Asherah are confirmation of a belief cult to her honour

wiki Wrote:In Israel and Judah

Figurines identified with Asherah are strikingly common in the archaeological record, indicating the popularity of her cult from the earliest times to the Babylonian exile.[7] More rarely, inscriptions linking Yahweh and Asherah have been discovered: an 8th century BCE ostracon inscribed "Berakhti etkhem l’YHVH Shomron ul’Asherato" (Hebrew: בירכתי אתכם ליהוה שומרון ולאשרתו‎) was discovered by Israeli archeologists at Kuntillet Ajrud (Hebrew "Horvat Teman") in the course of excavations in the Sinai desert in 1975. This translates as: "I have blessed you by YHVH of Samaria and His Asherah" (or perhaps "... by YHVH our guardian and His Asherah", if "Shomron" is to be read "shomrenu"). Another inscription, from Khirbet el-Kom near Hebron, reads: "Blessed be Uriyahu by Yahweh and by his Asherah; from his enemies he saved him!".[8] Tilde Binger notes in her study, Asherah: Goddesses in Ugarit, Israel and the Old Testament (1997, p. 141), that there is warrant for seeing an Asherah as, variously, "a wooden-aniconic-stela or column of some kind; a living tree; or a more regular statue." A rudely carved wooden statue planted on the ground of the house was Asherah's symbol, and sometimes a clay statue without legs. Her cult images— "idols"— were found also in forests, carved on living trees, or in the form of poles beside altars that were placed at the side of some roads. Asherah poles are mentioned in the books of Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, the Books of Kings, the second Book of Chronicles, and the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Micah. The term often appears as merely אשרה, Asherah; this is translated as "groves" in the King James Version and "poles" in the New Revised Standard Version, although there is disagreement about the translation of the ancient Hebrew as "poles."

We have been through this at least three times before..are you incapable of using the search facility on this site?

(January 22, 2012 at 4:21 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

chippy Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text
the oldest existing hebrew text are the silver amulets. i don't see where you're going with this though. just because the original copies don't exist means the bible is changed? it means they were written in greek? the fact is they are still jewish/hebrew texts and that's why i referenced the hebrew. and just because the originals aren't there doesn't make the remakes any less valid.

Ummm I don't think you really understood the meaning of the word texts here chippy. You really have no idea what you are talking about and AIG, Conservapedia, and any other religious site is not a very good reference.

Your silver amulets do not confirm "the bible" (as far as I understand it) just belief, just like the findings of Asherah are confirmation of a belief cult to her honour

wiki Wrote:In Israel and Judah

Figurines identified with Asherah are strikingly common in the archaeological record, indicating the popularity of her cult from the earliest times to the Babylonian exile.[7] More rarely, inscriptions linking Yahweh and Asherah have been discovered: an 8th century BCE ostracon inscribed "Berakhti etkhem l’YHVH Shomron ul’Asherato" (Hebrew: בירכתי אתכם ליהוה שומרון ולאשרתו‎) was discovered by Israeli archeologists at Kuntillet Ajrud (Hebrew "Horvat Teman") in the course of excavations in the Sinai desert in 1975. This translates as: "I have blessed you by YHVH of Samaria and His Asherah" (or perhaps "... by YHVH our guardian and His Asherah", if "Shomron" is to be read "shomrenu"). Another inscription, from Khirbet el-Kom near Hebron, reads: "Blessed be Uriyahu by Yahweh and by his Asherah; from his enemies he saved him!".[8] Tilde Binger notes in her study, Asherah: Goddesses in Ugarit, Israel and the Old Testament (1997, p. 141), that there is warrant for seeing an Asherah as, variously, "a wooden-aniconic-stela or column of some kind; a living tree; or a more regular statue." A rudely carved wooden statue planted on the ground of the house was Asherah's symbol, and sometimes a clay statue without legs. Her cult images— "idols"— were found also in forests, carved on living trees, or in the form of poles beside altars that were placed at the side of some roads. Asherah poles are mentioned in the books of Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, the Books of Kings, the second Book of Chronicles, and the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Micah. The term often appears as merely אשרה, Asherah; this is translated as "groves" in the King James Version and "poles" in the New Revised Standard Version, although there is disagreement about the translation of the ancient Hebrew as "poles."

We have been through this at least three times before..are you incapable of using the search facility on this site?

Hey chiapet? Do you know what she just did to your argument?