No, because "they" have no proof for their belief. To us, it's just a book. A meaningless book.

You can bring all the "clarity" you want to the table regarding your interpretation of that book, but nobody believes it credible. All you have proven is that you can read, and talk a lot.

(March 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: No, because "they" have no proof for their belief. To us, it's just a book. A meaningless book.

You can bring all the "clarity" you want to the table regarding your interpretation of that book, but nobody believes it credible. All you have proven is that you can read, and talk a lot.

Thank you.

No problem.

Also, as you claim that you are not trying to prove god, test your faith or convert anyone (3 major reasons a theist would be a member of an atheist forum), but you are here to provide (your interpretation of) clarity on biblical matters...ask yourself, what is the point? No one believes it's real, dude. You should be having discussions about the bible with christians.

So, see ya!

(March 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 11:26 am)tobie Wrote: In modern times, it is possible to create light without stars, such as in light-bulbs. However, the materials needed to make these light-bulbs etc. can only be created as the result of fusion in stars, or by the forces at work in supernovae. So, your question is redundant, because all methods of creating light are the results of stars.

Also, it would be impossible for a being to create light without losing some of it's mass ( Einstein's mass-energy principle), so if a being could create light, it would cause itself to stop existing.

Did I say God created a light bulb?

We create light without bulbs as well..

So again if we have the wherewith all to create light with out the use of a "light bulb" or a star, then isn't it possible God did the same?

(Hint it is either a yes or no question, if you feel you need to explain your non yes or no answer, then know your answer is wrong no matter what the explanation.)

Plus did you not read the part where i said their is a verse that says God radiates light, that Heaven Radiates light??? Shouldn't this stop all light bulb related responses?

Didn't you read the part where I said that if god radiated light, he would destroy himself?

(March 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm)tobie Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 11:26 am)tobie Wrote: In modern times, it is possible to create light without stars, such as in light-bulbs. However, the materials needed to make these light-bulbs etc. can only be created as the result of fusion in stars, or by the forces at work in supernovae. So, your question is redundant, because all methods of creating light are the results of stars.

Also, it would be impossible for a being to create light without losing some of it's mass ( Einstein's mass-energy principle), so if a being could create light, it would cause itself to stop existing.

Did I say God created a light bulb?

We create light without bulbs as well..

So again if we have the wherewith all to create light with out the use of a "light bulb" or a star, then isn't it possible God did the same?

(Hint it is either a yes or no question, if you feel you need to explain your non yes or no answer, then know your answer is wrong no matter what the explanation.)

Plus did you not read the part where i said their is a verse that says God radiates light, that Heaven Radiates light??? Shouldn't this stop all light bulb related responses?

Didn't you read the part where I said that if god radiated light, he would destroy himself?

So god radiates light? Is he powered by nuclear fusion? So that would make most of his internal structure hydrogen. Interesting. I assume he would be considered supermassive so he would have a number of byproducts. No wonder he is so volatile in the OT. Next we will hear the fundies saying that global warming is related to "god flares" and an increase in his average temp. Damn I could work for the Heartland Institute!

(March 25, 2012 at 1:24 pm)mediamogul Wrote: So god radiates light? Is he powered by nuclear fusion? So that would make most of his internal structure hydrogen. Interesting. I assume he would be considered supermassive so he would have a number of byproducts. No wonder he is so volatile in the OT.

Heh heh heh. Agreed. But then again can't fundy Christian counter that since it was God who set all the laws of physics at the settings we find, He could very well set that aside that law in his own case. It's kind of deciding what to wear in the morning. "Shall I radiate light? Lets! Shall I subject myself to the standard laws of conservation? Silly thought."

(March 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm)tobie Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 11:26 am)tobie Wrote: In modern times, it is possible to create light without stars, such as in light-bulbs. However, the materials needed to make these light-bulbs etc. can only be created as the result of fusion in stars, or by the forces at work in supernovae. So, your question is redundant, because all methods of creating light are the results of stars.

Also, it would be impossible for a being to create light without losing some of it's mass ( Einstein's mass-energy principle), so if a being could create light, it would cause itself to stop existing.

Did I say God created a light bulb?

We create light without bulbs as well..

So again if we have the wherewith all to create light with out the use of a "light bulb" or a star, then isn't it possible God did the same?

(Hint it is either a yes or no question, if you feel you need to explain your non yes or no answer, then know your answer is wrong no matter what the explanation.)

Plus did you not read the part where i said their is a verse that says God radiates light, that Heaven Radiates light??? Shouldn't this stop all light bulb related responses?

Didn't you read the part where I said that if god radiated light, he would destroy himself?

Yes but I honestly did not think you were serious. God yielding to an a observance Einstein made.. is.. dismissively foolish, unless you believe Einstein observed God when He made his conclusion.

Is this what you are saying?

(March 25, 2012 at 3:45 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm)tobie Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 25, 2012 at 11:26 am)tobie Wrote: In modern times, it is possible to create light without stars, such as in light-bulbs. However, the materials needed to make these light-bulbs etc. can only be created as the result of fusion in stars, or by the forces at work in supernovae. So, your question is redundant, because all methods of creating light are the results of stars.

Also, it would be impossible for a being to create light without losing some of it's mass ( Einstein's mass-energy principle), so if a being could create light, it would cause itself to stop existing.

Did I say God created a light bulb?

We create light without bulbs as well..

So again if we have the wherewith all to create light with out the use of a "light bulb" or a star, then isn't it possible God did the same?

(Hint it is either a yes or no question, if you feel you need to explain your non yes or no answer, then know your answer is wrong no matter what the explanation.)

Plus did you not read the part where i said their is a verse that says God radiates light, that Heaven Radiates light??? Shouldn't this stop all light bulb related responses?

Didn't you read the part where I said that if god radiated light, he would destroy himself?

Yes but I honestly did not think you were serious. God yielding to an a observance Einstein made.. is.. dismissively foolish, unless you believe Einstein observed God when He made his conclusion.

Is this what you are saying?

So believing something that has been derived from maths and observations from the world is foolish, yet believing that some magical being created the world, despite all the physical evidence that it didn't, is completely sound? If you are saying that god doesn't have to obey the laws of physics, than he cannot act within the universe, no less create anything within it.

[quote='mediamogul' pid='260943' dateline='1332696255']

Quote:So god radiates light? Is he powered by nuclear fusion?

Is all non indecassent light we can make, the result of Nuclear fusion??
(The answer is no)

Seriously you guys if you just take a minute and think about it you can save alittle face. We can make light that does not have anything to do with any type of fusion nor using incandescent light.. Why don't you google artificial light. before your next post.

My question still stands. If we can make this light why wouldn't God be able to do something better? The question is one designed to show not all light comes from stars. If you can admit this your arguments are over, unless you really really want to be schooled by the "back wards Christian."

(March 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Is all non indecassent light we can make, the result of Nuclear fusion??
(The answer is no)

Seriously you guys if you just take a minute and think about it you can save alittle face. We can make light that does not have anything to do with any type of fusion nor using incandescent light.. Why don't you google artificial light. before your next post.

My question still stands. If we can make this light why wouldn't God be able to do something better? The question is one designed to show not all light comes from stars. If you can admit this your arguments are over, unless you really really want to be schooled by the "back wards Christian."

Stop making shit up. Its easy to make up stories with magic. Don't make up a story and then demand we explain it for you.