Deferred? It was tired bullshit from the very beginning.

(March 27, 2012 at 9:33 am)Drich Wrote: When I followed up and ask what kind of proof they were looking for? no one knew for sure.

Liar.

I set the bar pretty low. I said I would look at anything you had that was demonstrable and didn't exist solely within your own imagination.

I didn't give you specific things I would consider as evidence because a) I have no preconceptions about what might constitute evidence, and b) I'm not going to allow you to claim that I was being a big meany in demanding evidice you couldn't possibly produce.

I don't expect that you actually have any evidence, but the bar was set pretty low, and claiming otherwise is an outright fabrication.

Lying is a sin, you know.

Well, one certianly gets the impression from his followers that lying for Jeus is not a sin.

Drich how do you reconcile death going on outside of Eden, when disobedience brought death into the world. To have a fossil record that predates the creation of Adam means that death was taking place before the disobedient act of Adam. You have told those you're debating with that one must take into account all scripture that applies to a subject, yet you seem to ignore this one very important theme that is throughout scripture, death came because of disobedience. Please explain why you have not considered this important fact.

(March 28, 2012 at 4:30 am)Godschild Wrote: Drich how do you reconcile death going on outside of Eden, when disobedience brought death into the world. To have a fossil record that predates the creation of Adam means that death was taking place before the disobedient act of Adam. You have told those you're debating with that one must take into account all scripture that applies to a subject, yet you seem to ignore this one very important theme that is throughout scripture, death came because of disobedience. Please explain why you have not considered this important fact.

Read your Bible Godschild.

That would be just about the last place to look for facts, what terrible advice. Why do we seem so willing to abandon "theories" and "evidence" and "science" and break out the Brothers Grimm?

It's because the book off all answers, the bible, seems to have everything a devoted Christian would want, so they turn to it. Except of course when they get cancer and they can't find the riight bible verse telling them what to do.

(March 27, 2012 at 5:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(March 27, 2012 at 9:33 am)Drich Wrote: When I followed up and ask what kind of proof they were looking for? no one knew for sure.

Liar.

I didn't give you specific

If you did not or could not provide what I ask no matter what the reason then explain to me how i lied.

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(March 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

Drich Wrote:When I followed up and ask what kind of proof they were looking for? no one knew for sure

Oh, quit spewing this nonsense. You were asked to provide anything, anything that would prove your hypothesis, yet you continued to play this childish game. The only person that would engage in such stupid tactics is one that has no evidence. You keep acting like this question was your ace in the hole, but it just makes you look desperate and unprepared.

And i repeated the fact that if you can not identify the evidence you are looking for then how will you be able to identify it when you see it? If you can not provide the parameters to define you search I will never be (by design) to provide you what you are "asking for." therefore your query is based on a false premise and does not warrant serious consideration unit you can provide a minimal effort.

If you want proof, then explain to me what you are looking for. If you can not then know you will not accept anything i provide on principle rather than merit.

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(March 28, 2012 at 9:05 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's because the book off all answers, the bible, seems to have everything a devoted Christian would want, so they turn to it. Except of course when they get cancer and they can't find the riight bible verse telling them what to do.

2co12:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

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(March 28, 2012 at 4:30 am)Godschild Wrote: Drich how do you reconcile death going on outside of Eden, when disobedience brought death into the world. To have a fossil record that predates the creation of Adam means that death was taking place before the disobedient act of Adam. You have told those you're debating with that one must take into account all scripture that applies to a subject, yet you seem to ignore this one very important theme that is throughout scripture, death came because of disobedience. Please explain why you have not considered this important fact.

For this incite I turn to Paul's commentary found in Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The word representing Death in Romans 5 is:
thanatos
1) the death of the body
a) that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

there are several variations of this definition all dealing with the separation of body and soul. This takes the punishment out of the physical death, and places it on where it belongs. The "Death" being visited upon the world at the fall of man was focoused on the inhabitants of the Garden, as was the whole of the Genesis account less the events of creation.

This link is the over view of the whole passage.
Romans 5 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Man it is true... we do have an awful lot of crazy happenin these days on AF.

whew ... it's like I need a scoop shovel to read through these threads.

SOOO much bull shit.

Both of you bible-thumping morons had best take heed. Science is passing you by.

(You and your fucking "god!)


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...215607.htm

Quote:Blank and colleagues at the Bay Area Environmental Research Institute NASA/Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif., set out to check whether amino acids could remain intact after a comet's descent through Earth's atmosphere. Previous analyses of comet dust samples returned to Earth by a NASA spacecraft eliminated any doubt that amino acids do occur in comets.