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August 15, 2009 at 7:30 pm (This post was last modified: August 15, 2009 at 7:33 pm by kittenshere.)
(August 15, 2009 at 5:28 pm)kittenshere Wrote:
(August 14, 2009 at 10:13 pm)Tiberius Wrote: A question for you kittenshere,
If you believe as you have already stated, that Hell is a Christian concept and does not exist, why do you attempt to convert atheists? What is the ultimate point? If there is no punishment for non-belief, why do you "pester" (that really isn't the right word...no offense meant!) us?
I'm just curious why you would try and change someone's life, which they are perfectly happy with, and when there is no benefit at all from it.
Adrain, As I stated earlier I believe that christian teachings among others I feel is why some, not all, but some atheist exist. Who could love or want to worship someone so cruel as to torture someone in a so called hell fire. This hell of torture is not biblical. The bible is misunderstood and I can prove it with explanations that make perfect sense. I simply do not want people thinking God is gonna torture them for all eternity. thats just completley absurd. It is not me that can change anyone's life. but Jesus can and is going to.
the bible says these things.
1. John 6:44 and 65 no man can come to me if ever the father who sends me should not be drawing him.
2. John 15:16 says ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
God only chooses some for now. But it is his will to call and choose ALL MANKIND in the future. Not all are called at once. And what God wills will be done. Isa 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out of my mouth, it shall not return me a void but it shall accomplish that which I please. Thy will be done in earth as is it is heaven.
we cannot serve God on your own. Phil 2:13 says For it is God which works in both to WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure. Also For by grace you are saved through faith and that faith IS NOT OF YOURSELVES. IT IS A GIFT OF GOD.
seems I cant change you and you cant change yourself. so I did not come here to change you but to tell what the bible really says. But you know God works in strange ways so maybe my being here is part of his plan. To irritate the atheist lol Just kidding. The bible does says, we can do nothing by ourself. In fact without God we would not even have a thought process.
I saw on someone's post earlier that we cannot see nor hear God. Your right we cant but we also cannot see air but we know it exist. We can only see the affects of it. like trees blowing. we cannot see hunger but we know it exist. we cannot see pain but we know it exist. we cannot see bacteria on things with the naked eyes but we know it exist. need micoscope for that. There are many things that we cannot see with the naked eye.
(August 15, 2009 at 7:20 pm)bozo Wrote: kittenshere, don't you accept that WE DON'T BELIEVE IN GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes I accept that YOU dont belive in God. You can only speak for yourself. There are few here that do or are wiling to discuss it. and as I said I force no one to listen. But when one does, I answer him or her as best I can. I have also offered to take it private if one wants to.
(August 15, 2009 at 7:28 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I don't at the moment either. I say at the moment but - I don't expect to change!! Nevertheless I'm fine if Kitten proceeds regardless of if I'm convertable or not (and no, once again - i don't believe I am! Lmfao, ever) - I can certainly see that some don't like it though!! I obviously can't speak for all.
EvF
It's not rocket science...if god fails, so does his/her/its words. It really is that simple. Why not cut to the chase?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
The bible, among other things contains the rationalising for Gods existence and belief in him. In my undesrtanding, you don't believe in God without reason, and then prove it with the bible etc later. So, with respect, I think you've got it a bit arse about face bozo.
(August 15, 2009 at 7:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The bible, among other things contains the rationalising for Gods existence and belief in him. In my undesrtanding, you don't believe in God without reason, and then prove it with the bible etc later. So, with respect, I think you've got it a bit arse about face bozo.
Frodo,shove your arse right up your face. Similarly kittenshere, you arrogant person.
This is an atheist forum. We don't sign on to the existence of gods...or anything that eminates from such belief. Can I stop flogging the nag?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
(August 15, 2009 at 7:47 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: It may be an atheist forum, but theists are welcome to join too (providing they don't break the rules).
EvF
I'll try and make this very easy for you....do you believe in gods?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
