(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

When the doctor slapped you on your ass, were you a theist?

(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

I saw that coming.

Lacking a belief doesn't mean you must first be aware of it. A child before they become aware of religious belief does lack it. The statement is true. Before I even heard of this 'god' I did lack that belief. It's just I lacked belief later on because I was aware of it and found it most unconvincing and improbable.

(April 3, 2012 at 5:48 am)Phil Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

When the doctor slapped you on your ass, were you a theist?

As I said, I was a "nothing". I was a complete blank canvass.

"I actually thought that catholic schools were church funded. It's pretty outrageous that the government is funding religious schools."


More info on that, 22% of primary schools in England and Wales (mostly Catholic but a few Muslim/Hindu/Jewish ) are state aided. This means the church provides the land to build the school, and 10% of the build cost - the rest being paid by the state. Of course if the school already exists, e.g. if it is an independent school entering the state sector, then there is no need even for the initial 10% build cost. Any further capital projects, like an extension , or new gym, are funded in the same way. The governing trust (ie the church) then owns the building and the running costs of the school are provided 100% by the local authority, whilst the governing trust retains control over admissions policy and school ethos (I think you can guess what that means !!).

Most Church of England schools are "voluntary funded" meaning that the local authority pays for everything but has more control over the school.

Regards

Grimesy

(April 3, 2012 at 5:54 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

I saw that coming.

Lacking a belief doesn't mean you must first be aware of it. A child before they become aware of religious belief does lack it. The statement is true. Before I even heard of this 'god' I did lack that belief. It's just I lacked belief later on because I was aware of it and found it most unconvincing and improbable.

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, there has to be a belief in gods for you to lack.

If there was no theists there would be no atheists.

(April 3, 2012 at 6:13 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, there has to be a belief in gods for you to lack.

If there was no theists there would be no atheists.

True, atheism is simply the opposite of religion. If there was no religion, there'd be no atheism. However on the belief and lack of the statement is true regardless.

(April 2, 2012 at 7:39 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I remember that leading to thoughts of Adam and Eve and how little sense the story made to me, even then.

What man, you haven't talked to any snakes recently?

(April 3, 2012 at 6:10 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:48 am)Phil Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

When the doctor slapped you on your ass, were you a theist?

As I said, I was a "nothing". I was a complete blank canvass.

Then you were not a theist so your wew an atheist (without a belief in god). Is that really hard to understand?

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(April 3, 2012 at 6:13 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, there has to be a belief in gods for you to lack.

Pure unadulterated bullshit. If you don't believe in gods you lack that belief regardless of awareness.

Quote:If there was no theists there would be no atheists.

Correct, there would be no need for the word but the "non-god" lack is still there. Are you really this obtuse?

(April 3, 2012 at 6:45 am)Phil Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 6:10 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:48 am)Phil Wrote:

(April 3, 2012 at 5:45 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I disagree that lack of belief is the default position, and would say the same about belief. Lack of belief denotes that you are aware of a belief and do not accept it. Another subject you might believe based on evidence so there can't really be a default position.

When the doctor slapped you on your ass, were you a theist?

As I said, I was a "nothing". I was a complete blank canvass.

Then you were not a theist so your wew an atheist (without a belief in god). Is that really hard to understand?

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(April 3, 2012 at 6:13 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, there has to be a belief in gods for you to lack.

Pure unadulterated bullshit. If you don't believe in gods you lack that belief regardless of awareness.

Quote:If there was no theists there would be no atheists.

Correct, there would be no need for the word but the "non-god" lack is still there. Are you really this obtuse?

Are crustaceans and planks of wood atheist? I'd say not.

(April 3, 2012 at 7:06 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Are crustaceans and planks of wood atheist? I'd say not.

Now you just being a fucking idiot. Do me a favor, read my signature so you understand why I am not going to waste my time arguing with an idiot.