Quote:I'm a man and we notice these things,

Shit...I'm an old man and I told my wife that if I stop noticing she should check my pulse.

downbeatplumb Wrote:...so this 'good idea' is setting people up to fail so the preacher can say 'you are all sinners' in the confident knowledge that there is no way they can't be.

But how can you sell the cure unless you convice the person they have the disease?

(April 27, 2012 at 2:44 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

Quote:But how many adherents of your cult have punished themselves for this 'crime' how many thought less of themselves,how many considered themselves doomed to hell.

I never met any Christian who did that.

Quote:And most of he time its unconsious, you find yourself glancing at a nice pair of legs under a mini skirt or noticing a pert pair of breasts. Without any thought going into the action at all, its not my fault, I'm a man and we notice these things,

He's not talking about looking. He's talking about what you want to do with the woman in your heart. The Sot M is basically telling us "It's your heart, stupid."

Quote: so this 'good idea' is setting people up to fail so the preacher can say 'you are all sinners' in the confident knowledge that there is no way they can't be.

You're close. Jesus is telling us to look at ourselves instead of judging others, as I said before. Nobody can be called righteous by this standard, and yet the standard is perfectly valid. Who says it isn't? You? Then you are merely judging God. So we can read it and weep, and all stop pretending- atheist, fundy and Pharisee alike.

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But how can you sell the cure unless you convice the person they have the disease?

Exactly!

Quote:Then you are merely judging God.

No, dummy. We're judging you for falling for such abject shit.

(April 27, 2012 at 6:58 am)Faith No More Wrote: I love how anyone who doesn't think Jesus was a great guy isn't 'intellectualy honest.'

That's just a little hypocritical, isn't it?

Wells didn't think he was a "great guy." He just realized, with the agnostics Durant and Shonfield, that inventors would not have written what they did, with such detail, or written apparently negative things about Jesus, or written such brilliant similies. They saw all your "contradictions" and realized those were, in the scheme of things, "minutae" only nitpickers would call proof of lying.

They did not commit the logical fallacy called "false in one part, false in all," which is rampant on this forum. If half of Mark is true and all the rest of the NT is false, you guys are still wrong. God can simply hold you to your own irrational logic on judgement day. Right?

Most atheists would refuse to serve Jesus if he came down and healed 98% of all the sick people in the world. "Hey what about the other 2%? If you heal them, I'll think about it"

Proof has nothing to do with atheist beliefs, Wells being a possible exception. They can't prove anything themselves, although the burden is on them, not us. In a slander or libel case, the burden is on the accuser, not the defendent, for good reason.

H.G. Wells did not consider himself an atheist.

Quote:Wells wrote in his book God the Invisible King that his idea of God did not draw upon the traditional religions of the world: "This book sets out as forcibly and exactly as possible the religious belief of the writer. [Which] is a profound belief in a personal and intimate God".[44] Later in the work he aligns himself with a "renascent or modern religion ... neither atheist nor Buddhist nor Mohammedan nor Christian ... [that] he has found growing up in himself".[45]

Of Christianity he has this to say: "... it is not now true for me ... Every believing Christian is, I am sure, my spiritual brother ... but if systemically I called myself a Christian I feel that to most men I should imply too much and so tell a lie." Of other world religions he writes: "All these religions are true for me as Canterbury Cathedral is a true thing and as a Swiss chalet is a true thing. There they are, and they have served a purpose, they have worked. Only they are not true for me to live in them ... They do not work for me."[46]

I can only assume that you are fairly loose with all your "facts" which is actually pretty typical of xtians throughout history.

(April 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm)radorth Wrote:

(April 27, 2012 at 6:58 am)Faith No More Wrote: I love how anyone who doesn't think Jesus was a great guy isn't 'intellectualy honest.'

That's just a little hypocritical, isn't it?

Wells didn't think he was a "great guy." He just realized, with the agnostics Durant and Shonfield, that inventors would not have written what they did, with such detail, or written apparently negative things about Jesus, or written such brilliant similies. They saw all your "contradictions" and realized those were, in the scheme of things, "minutae" only nitpickers would call proof of lying.

They did not commit the logical fallacy called "false in one part, false in all," which is rampant on this forum. If half of Mark is true and all the rest of the NT is false, you guys are still wrong. God can simply hold you to your own irrational logic on judgement day. Right?

Most atheists would refuse to serve Jesus if he came down and healed 98% of all the sick people in the world. "Hey what about the other 2%? If you heal them, I'll think about it"

Proof has nothing to do with atheist beliefs, Wells being a possible exception. They can't prove anything themselves, although the burden is on them, not us. In a slander or libel case, the burden is on the accuser, not the defendent, for good reason.

Then produce evidence for your god boy and you win. It can't be that hard.
BTW the reason the accuser has the burden of proof is because they are the one making the positive claim.

(April 27, 2012 at 12:55 am)radorth Wrote: Speaking of myths, "John Locke was a deist" takes the prize.

No one cares.

Quote:Most atheists (not all) prefer to live in denial and claim they are facing reality.

Atheism makes no claims about reality you silly billy. Living in self-indulgence is regrettably the human condition as we put our own pursuits and interests first.

I face reality everyday, and yeah overall, its a pretty shitty life. I get abuse day-in day-out at my job. Existence is not all its cracked up to be, a brief look through history reveals that much. I graciously accept my morality for however long it lasts and await the undeniable void of eternal oblivion to come.

None of this acceptance of the real world, our lot, and the finality of death has anything to do with my atheism though.

Quote:So even the atheist H.G. Wells admitted,

What the fuck are you on about?

Just because someone isn't a Christian doesn't make them an atheist. If anything, Herbert George Wells who regarded all religions as true was an omnitheist.

Quote:Disbelief has nothing to do with evidence, as I have proved over and over.

Perhaps you should call your new-found 'truth' something original like common-sense? No one has claimed a lack of belief is evidence. Except you, of course. =.=

Quote:Most atheists would not serve Jesus if he came down healed their mother of stage 12 cancer.

So Jesus only does good so people will worship him and kiss his feet 24/7? Is that what you're saying?

If I save your life I expect no immediate reward. I don't even expect a simple "thank you" straight away either. And I most certainly will not demand you to worship me, in fact I would discourage you if you tried something so ridiculous and degrading.

Your god concept has a fucking massive ego to compliment your mind that conceptualised it. And you are disgustingly insensitive to the families of people out there who have loved ones with terminal cancer and cannot be saved. You cretin.

(April 27, 2012 at 10:39 pm)radorth Wrote: Then you are merely judging God.

You've already judged God to be "righteous" you hypocrite. Everyone judges. Fact of life. Get over it. >.>

(April 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm)radorth Wrote: They saw all your "contradictions" and realized those were, in the scheme of things, "minutae" only nitpickers would call proof of lying.

You're not making any sense. Take your head out of arse and speak to us in English or English American please.

Quote:Most atheists would refuse to serve Jesus if he came down and healed 98% of all the sick people in the world. "Hey what about the other 2%? If you heal them, I'll think about it"

Are you jammed in some sort of mental block or loop or something? You've already made that point and its been responded to.

Quote:Proof has nothing to do with atheist beliefs,

There's not a word in there that didn't make me want to slap you.

Atheism is not a belief system. It makes no claims about reality. The moment you get that through your thick-caveman-fucking-skull is the moment we can actually get back on track to having a sensible and rational adult conversation.

Quote:They can't prove anything themselves, although the burden is on them, not us. In a slander or libel case, the burden is on the accuser, not the defendent, for good reason.

Are you for real? Are you fucking with us or just plain stupid? We're addressing the philosophic burden of proof WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LEGAL BURDEN OF PROOF.

Oh my fucking word you are dense and obnoxious. >.<

(April 27, 2012 at 12:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: No my friend, your sig says if a war begins and the church is on one side..., to me this says nothing about the church starting a war.

Well what does it say about me starting a war? Nothing! Typical theist, always blaming violence on the atheist.

(April 28, 2012 at 9:23 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:

(April 27, 2012 at 12:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: No my friend, your sig says if a war begins and the church is on one side..., to me this says nothing about the church starting a war.

Well what does it say about me starting a war? Nothing! Typical theist, always blaming violence on the atheist.

You need some reality in your life. Go check this forum and see who blames who for violence.