We sure do. I am more amazed that you are surprised by that.

We do in the UK too (eat Rabbit)

The UK Gadget show demonstrated a compressed air driven vehicle yesterday. A 2 seater bubble car that cost 1p a mile to run and had a range of 130 miles on a full tank IIRC. Filling up was quick too.

The Airpod
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...rid-france

(August 25, 2009 at 11:50 am)Pippy Wrote: Would you consider yourself an environmentalist?

No not any more, but I try to be good to the environment around me.

(August 25, 2009 at 11:50 am)Pippy Wrote: What do you think the definition of environmentalist is?

A person who perserves the forest, and who provides care for the environment.

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(August 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: We sure do. I am more amazed that you are surprised by that.

Oh, so you like hasenpfeffer?

I hear rabbit is really good. I've never tried it.

Amp

They cooked rabbit last night on "Hell's Kitchen". It looked delicious.

It tastes great too.

(August 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm)dry land fish Wrote: We need leather and leather isn't exactly fur. The fur farms in China are absolutely horrible. They are so inhumane. I watched a PETA investigation video on the net of a Chinese fur farm.

I disagree ... all animals should be treated humanely given that we're going to use them and there is no difference between leather and fur as far as the animal is concerned.

We no longer *need* leather, we can manufacture suitable alternatives.

Kyu

I agree with Kyu on this matter. There is never an excuse to be inhumane to other animals... even if you will eventually be eating them, or skinning them... they are alive now... and they should be treated like kings for that time they live.

We in fact do not need meat from animals (except in some rare circumstances), and our world would be better fed on a mostly-vegan diet (less starvation). I don't think i could handle not having some things though (Cheese for pizza for instance)... but that isn't killing (or as far as i'm aware, hurting) anyone (except by osteoporoses and a few other things, which with moderation you don't get anyway).

However, why even kill other animals for food or skinning... and not give them proper burials when they die... when we don't eat the usable materials of dead humans (esp. ones in their prime)... and we give most of them proper burials. Seems hypocritical to me... because all of the important parts about why not torture and kill apply to humans just as so to other mammals, many reptiles, and whatnot.

(August 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm)Saerules Wrote: I agree with Kyu on this matter. There is never an excuse to be inhumane to other animals... even if you will eventually be eating them, or skinning them... they are alive now... and they should be treated like kings for that time they live.

I don't know about Kings but they should be treated humanely and I don't mind eating less meat and paying more for it.

(August 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm)Saerules Wrote: We in fact do not need meat from animals (except in some rare circumstances), and our world would be better fed on a mostly-vegan diet (less starvation). I don't think i could handle not having some things though (Cheese for pizza for instance)... but that isn't killing (or as far as i'm aware, hurting) anyone (except by osteoporoses and a few other things, which with moderation you don't get anyway).

And there I have to disagree ... humans are buiolt (have evolved) to be omnivorous and our biological systems to require meat because it provides us with a number of things that we cannot get easily from vegetable sources. Yes you possibly could use supplements but it would be expensive to treat the world that way (and that's what we're talking about) and a number of high-profile legal cases have shown that human health (especially that of children) is not adequately supported by a vegan diet.

(August 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm)Saerules Wrote: However, why even kill other animals for food or skinning... and not give them proper burials when they die... when we don't eat the usable materials of dead humans (esp. ones in their prime)... and we give most of them proper burials. Seems hypocritical to me... because all of the important parts about why not torture and kill apply to humans just as so to other mammals, many reptiles, and whatnot.

Er ... you want to give animals human like burials? Fuck that!

Kyu

Well we don't need leather, but it looks, feels and smells soooooo good. I'm not going to wear a pleather coat. Call me a snob And I would die on a vegan diet. I need my meat and also my husband would kill me if I tried to feed him rabbit food and sea weed. Plates would be flying across the kitchen. I know.....there is little to know hope for me.

What we need is some sort of plant that instead of growing melon it produces prime steak. That should please everyone (except the GM brigade).