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The Stage is Yours.
#21
RE: The Stage is Yours.
(July 5, 2012 at 4:59 am)Rayaan Wrote: I know that you believe that there is no empirical evidence of God (which I don't disagree with either), but then what are some of your metaphysical arguments? Do you have any?
...as if arguments were evidence.....

ROFLOL
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#22
RE: The Stage is Yours.
(July 5, 2012 at 3:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 4, 2012 at 9:15 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Right so you admit the main reason you're a Christian is because you were born in a country where Christianity is dominant?
If so how can you claim your religion to be anymore plausable than Rayaans or any others for that matter?

Don't be a jerk lol.

What? Its a legitimate question. You don't think its important? If you have some kind of information that makes your belief system stand out from the others I think everyone here needs to hear it.
"Vanity, is definitely my favorite sin." Al Pacino, Devils Advocate.

(July 5, 2012 at 12:47 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: What? Its a legitimate question. You don't think its important? If you have some kind of information that makes your belief system stand out from the others I think everyone here needs to hear it.
(July 6, 2012 at 3:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: BTW I've decided that I shouldn't try to out child children. Sorry kids Wink
Translation: Run away! :'(

(July 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: "What is this accepted interpretation of the Bible passages that talks about Lots daughters getting him drunk specifically to get pregnant? What is the accepted interpretation of the priest and the concubine?"
Once again, answer the questions or retreat fr0d0.
(July 21, 2012 at 12:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hey Rap ;-)

I don't have an interpretation. Thank you for the complimentary Rabbi status though, I'm suitably flattered. I'll get back to you on your inability to use the internet later. Busy having a life here. I hope that you understand.
Translation: Run away again! :'(
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#23
RE: The Stage is Yours.
(July 5, 2012 at 4:59 am)Rayaan Wrote: The existence of an "intelligence" that I was talking about are based on my own inductive reasoning of the world around me and not something that I came to conclude based on scientific facts nor experimentation. So, I don't think that this is empiricism, but mainly a metaphysical view.

Yeah but it ends up inserting empirical amongst metaphisical evidence, which for me ends up in car crashes of logic. People of my faith do the same thing, so this isn't something I hold against you. I'm fatally attracted to the understanding people who profess such beliefs. I don't find I can agree with it, but I find it very interesting.

(July 5, 2012 at 4:59 am)Rayaan Wrote: I know that you believe that there is no empirical evidence of God (which I don't disagree with either), but then what are some of your metaphysical arguments? Do you have any?

Well I believe I made one in my 1st post in this thread. Meaning and purpose are all bound up in metaphysical thinking and it is what informs our world view. For materialists this is a complete non starter and a huge unresolved conflict they somehow live with.

(July 5, 2012 at 4:59 am)Rayaan Wrote: "All conclusions lead back to god." <- Well, that seems like a very vague critera unless you specify what are some of those conclusions and demonstrate how they "necessarily" imply that only the Chrisitian God is real.
It's not vague. It's just not dealing with the minutae. The detail is just that, very detailed. For anything to make sense metaphysically, it is my contention that the christian god is the only satisfactory answer. I work that out continually. Why should I act positively? Because it makes sense in the wider scheme of things that positivity is life. Any question you pick makes sense including God. Minus God it fails to make sense.

(July 5, 2012 at 4:59 am)Rayaan Wrote: My own view works and I explained this in great length in this thread. This was a mixture of both science and metaphysics (physics being one of the branches of metaphysics since metaphysics essentially deals with the fundamental nature of reality).
You seem to be expanding in that thread on your Intelligent Design beliefs. It's a bit of a wall of texts. I tried several times to read it. Could you precis it for us?
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#24
RE: The Stage is Yours.
(July 5, 2012 at 3:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote:
(July 4, 2012 at 9:15 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Right so you admit the main reason you're a Christian is because you were born in a country where Christianity is dominant?
If so how can you claim your religion to be anymore plausable than Rayaans or any others for that matter?

Don't be a jerk lol.

WOAH -- wasn't that like a ticket straight to the Hot Place, to call someone "Fool"? I can hear Baby Jeebus crying from here.

Great example of Christian Morality in any case. Perfect demonstration of x-tard hypocrisy. The only cheek you turn is for your pastor.

And it's the wrong cheek....
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#25
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Ok, wow. Did fr0d0 just write a fully fledged novel to answer Rayaan but didn't offer a single sentence to answer my very relevant and very politely asked question?
Anyone else think thats just rude?
"Vanity, is definitely my favorite sin." Al Pacino, Devils Advocate.

(July 5, 2012 at 12:47 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: What? Its a legitimate question. You don't think its important? If you have some kind of information that makes your belief system stand out from the others I think everyone here needs to hear it.
(July 6, 2012 at 3:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: BTW I've decided that I shouldn't try to out child children. Sorry kids Wink
Translation: Run away! :'(

(July 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: "What is this accepted interpretation of the Bible passages that talks about Lots daughters getting him drunk specifically to get pregnant? What is the accepted interpretation of the priest and the concubine?"
Once again, answer the questions or retreat fr0d0.
(July 21, 2012 at 12:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hey Rap ;-)

I don't have an interpretation. Thank you for the complimentary Rabbi status though, I'm suitably flattered. I'll get back to you on your inability to use the internet later. Busy having a life here. I hope that you understand.
Translation: Run away again! :'(
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BTW I've decided that I shouldn't try to out child children. Sorry kids Wink
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#27
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Nice try, cupcake, but you get ridicule because it's all you deserve.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions" --Thomas Jefferson.
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#28
RE: The Stage is Yours.
(July 6, 2012 at 3:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: BTW I've decided that I shouldn't try to out child children. Sorry kids Wink

Again with the insults. It was a legitimate query, if you have no reason or evidence that your religion has more plausibility than any other religion including Rayaans then say so. If you do then present it. Do not insult the good people here by resorting to cowardice veiled by insults, they can see through it and shame on you for thinking they can't.
"Vanity, is definitely my favorite sin." Al Pacino, Devils Advocate.

(July 5, 2012 at 12:47 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: What? Its a legitimate question. You don't think its important? If you have some kind of information that makes your belief system stand out from the others I think everyone here needs to hear it.
(July 6, 2012 at 3:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: BTW I've decided that I shouldn't try to out child children. Sorry kids Wink
Translation: Run away! :'(

(July 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: "What is this accepted interpretation of the Bible passages that talks about Lots daughters getting him drunk specifically to get pregnant? What is the accepted interpretation of the priest and the concubine?"
Once again, answer the questions or retreat fr0d0.
(July 21, 2012 at 12:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hey Rap ;-)

I don't have an interpretation. Thank you for the complimentary Rabbi status though, I'm suitably flattered. I'll get back to you on your inability to use the internet later. Busy having a life here. I hope that you understand.
Translation: Run away again! :'(
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#29
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I always love how the semitic religions claim to know so much about God, until you ask them to demonstrate Him, then suddenly His ways are mysterious, and "Who are you to question Him?" It's the age old trick of trying to have your cake and eat it, too.

But really, I don't mind. I'm a woman who believes in the "give 'em enough rope" method of argument. But it did get me to thinking, given the argument for the existence of God posted in the other thread, challenging the atheist to show how the universe came into being without a creator, and I came to a conclusion. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The next time a theist challenges you to explain the origin of the universe, you should assume the appropriately sanctimonious tone and reply, "The universe's ways are mysterious. Who are you to question Its ways?"


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#30
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@apophenia
Woah.. where did that come from?!?
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